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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Has anyone forced a cemetery to remove crosses? I haven't heard that one. Most cemeteries are on private property, not public.
    Sure they have, there was on in California that was talked about a whole bunch on here last year. Then there is that little town that had to take down a statue of a soldier kneeing by a cross that marked a fallen comrade. That was on the new last week.

    The town owned the property so I guess that was public land. This whole thing has gone crazy. At least in my point of view.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Who is trying to remove crosses from cemeteries, or more accurately - can you support that with a link about such a story in this country from a credible news source?


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    Sure they have, there was on in California that was talked about a whole bunch on here last year. Then there is that little town that had to take down a statue of a soldier kneeing by a cross that marked a fallen comrade. That was on the new last week.

    I am sure you could google them.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Sounds like someone got taken in by another of those internet lies. The only thing I found was this:

    The ACLU Wants Crosses Off Federal Cemeteries? - BreakTheChain.org

    And then we find that this has been circulating for years and always proven false.

    snopes.com: ACLU and Cemetery Headstones

    Now it is possible that this is about something else, but not likely.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Freedom of religion and freedom from religion are one and the same thing.
    Usually, when I've enciuntered the term “freedom from religion”, it has been strongly associated with, at best, a grudging acceptance that some people may hold religious beliefs, but a desire that they be prevented from publicly expressing any such beliefs, or from allowing these beliefs to influence the way they conduct themselves in public, the way they run their businesses, how they vote, and so on. Not at all consistent with what is meant by “freedom of religion”, especially when considered along with freedoms of speech, press, and association.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Sure they have, there was on in California that was talked about a whole bunch on here last year. Then there is that little town that had to take down a statue of a soldier kneeing by a cross that marked a fallen comrade. That was on the new last week.

    I am sure you could google them.
    The kneeling soldier was not a specific soldier. And it is being replaced by simply a kneeling soldier, as most places have. Plus, it wasn't in a cemetary. And part of the issue was the Christian flag being flown over it.

    North Carolina City Removes Statue of Soldier Kneeling Before Cross | Military.com

    The other cross was still just a cross on public land, not in a cemetary.

    U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Sure they have, there was on in California that was talked about a whole bunch on here last year. Then there is that little town that had to take down a statue of a soldier kneeing by a cross that marked a fallen comrade. That was on the new last week.

    The town owned the property so I guess that was public land. This whole thing has gone crazy. At least in my point of view.
    Then as public land, they cannot endorse any particular religion. In that particular case, unless they were actively restricting other religious symbols, they weren't actually breaking the law, they cannot show preference, they have to allow any religion to be equally represented or no religion to be represented. I can't speak to that case because I don't know the situation though.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Usually, when I've enciuntered the term “freedom from religion”, it has been strongly associated with, at best, a grudging acceptance that some people may hold religious beliefs, but a desire that they be prevented from publicly expressing any such beliefs, or from allowing these beliefs to influence the way they conduct themselves in public, the way they run their businesses, how they vote, and so on. Not at all consistent with what is meant by “freedom of religion”, especially when considered along with freedoms of speech, press, and association.
    It's exactly the same though. Freedom if speech is freedom for all to speak their mind, or not to do so if they choose not to. You cannot permit one kind and not another kind, that's why any kind of blasphemy law is unConstitutional. Because public lands and public businesses are supposed to represent all and be equally accessible to all, the laws are written such that there is a standard of acceptable behavior that everyone has to abide by. One business can't be open to only Catholics and the one next door only to whites and the one next door to that only to women. All must be open to all. If you don't like that, by all means start a non-profit church where you are legally permitted to discriminate.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Sure they have, there was on in California that was talked about a whole bunch on here last year.
    I've been on political message boards since 2004, no I don't remember any bru-ha-ha about cemeterieis having to remove crosses in California or anywhere else in this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I am sure you could google them.

    Sorry, you are the one that claimed crosses were being removed from cemeteries, the burden is on you to substantiate your claims.

    It's typically considered poor message board etiquette to ask someone else to find proof of the things you claim.


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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    I've been on political message boards since 2004, no I don't remember any bru-ha-ha about cemeterieis having to remove crosses in California or anywhere else in this country.
    It wasn't a cemetery, someone posted the link to the story above. So long as the cemetery is private, as most are, people can put in whatever they want. In fact, it seems to me that these cities who have public cemeteries could just solve the problem by selling the land and the burial business to a local business at fair market prices. Funny how none of them want to do so.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It wasn't a cemetery, someone posted the link to the story above. So long as the cemetery is private, as most are, people can put in whatever they want. In fact, it seems to me that these cities who have public cemeteries could just solve the problem by selling the land and the burial business to a local business at fair market prices. Funny how none of them want to do so.

    The religious symbols on headstones are not an issue and there are a large number of cemeteries that are not run by cities -- states and the federal government often operate veteran's cemeteries individually or in partnership. It is not the government that picks the religious symbol that appears on the sailor/soldier/airman/marines headstone. It is the individual themselves or the next of kin after their passing.

    There is wide range of emblems available so that no one religion has preference -->> Available Emblems of Belief for Placement on Government Headstones and Markers - National Cemetery Administration



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