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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Does not fit the vast majority of same sex marriage supporters.
    Yea, right. Just the ones that would change forever the definition of "marriage" or force those that do not support such marriages from running perfectly legal businesses.

    Don't want to bake a wedding cake or take pictures of a homosexual wedding?

    Then for the "greater good" and in the interest of "fairness" you must be sued and run out of business!

    The exact same thing will happen with churches. It's only a matter of time.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/rational?
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    Until equal rights was given to gays in large ways, personally, Ive never heard this argument which i consider to be completely irrational, a simple fear tactic and conspiracy theory.

    I see no rational basis for this fear based on equal rights for gays since there are rights, laws, the constitution and countless court case precedences blocking something this stupid.

    I havent met one person that thinks churches should be forced and the reality is churches already (before gay rights) legally discriminate on marriages probably in the 1000s a day in this country and always have.

    They have against straight couples, gay couples, based on race, based on religion etc etc etc
    why now, magically, will this change?
    why was it not a fear when minority rights were granted? womans rights? and its never been a fear based on religious discrimination?

    I see ZERO logic in something so absurd BUT, I'm very curious how many people fear this lunacy and thier reasonings . . . maybe im missing something completely logical. SO far I havent seen any, so please share if it happens youll get to do a big I TOLD YOU SO lol

    anyway my vote is no . . HELL NO lol

    also FYI if i ever did see it as a reasonable possibility i would fight my way to the front of the line to fight it tooth and nail!
    In today's day and age, not much surprises me anymore. I do not think any church should be required to marry anyone for whatever reason. Is it irrational to fear that a church might be forced to, maybe, maybe not.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    Yea, right. Just the ones that would change forever the definition of "marriage" or force those that do not support such marriages from running perfectly legal businesses.

    Don't want to bake a wedding cake or take pictures of a homosexual wedding?

    Then for the "greater good" and in the interest of "fairness" you must be sued and run out of business!

    The exact same thing will happen with churches. It's only a matter of time.
    Oh, complaining because you don't actually own the definition of any word again? Too bad. Part of language, part of life is that things, including words, change. That is not something outside of the norm at all.

    If someone doesn't want to bake a wedding cake or photograph an interracial or interfaith wedding or the wedding of someone of a certain faith, they too are sued and "run out of business" because it is illegal discrimination based on protected classification and viewed as wrong by enough people to lead to a person not getting enough business for their poor business decisions.

    There is absolutely no proof at all that churches would ever be forced to perform weddings for anyone they don't want to and a lot of evidence that this won't happen. Or are you of the mindset that the only people that have ever filed discrimination lawsuits against any businesses are gays? If so, you would be greatly mistaken.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    In today's day and age, not much surprises me anymore. I do not think any church should be required to marry anyone for whatever reason. Is it irrational to fear that a church might be forced to, maybe, maybe not.
    But nobody in any position of authority has even suggested that actual churches should be required to do so. We're just seeing the religious pretending that anyone who has any kind of vague religious belief, or even says that they do, ought to have all the rights and privileges of a legally established church. That's utterly insane.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But nobody in any position of authority has even suggested that actual churches should be required to do so. We're just seeing the religious pretending that anyone who has any kind of vague religious belief, or even says that they do, ought to have all the rights and privileges of a legally established church. That's utterly insane.
    I don't know. I have seen a lot of stuff done in the name of anti-religion. If sometime in the future this came to pass, it wouldn't surprise me at all. It seems we have gone from freedom of religion to freedom from religion in today's society.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't know. I have seen a lot of stuff done in the name of anti-religion. If sometime in the future this came to pass, it wouldn't surprise me at all. It seems we have gone from freedom of religion to freedom from religion in today's society.
    Freedom of religion and freedom from religion are one and the same thing. Everyone has a right to the religion of their choice within their own heads and within their own homes and churches, assuming they harm no one in the practice of their religion. Religious beliefs do not free you from following the law, regardless of what you believe. You don't get to ignore taxes. You don't get to engage in human sacrifice. You don't get to discriminate against others. You don't get to fly airplanes into buildings. We have a social standard of behavior that applies to *EVERYONE* in public. One's internal religious beliefs do not make one immune.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't know. I have seen a lot of stuff done in the name of anti-religion. If sometime in the future this came to pass, it wouldn't surprise me at all. It seems we have gone from freedom of religion to freedom from religion in today's society.
    It seems to me that in recent years, we've seen some lines crossed that would have seemed insanely unlikely not many years before.

    The line from where we seem to be now, to forcing churches to conduct immoral homosexual mockeries of weddings seems awfully thin compared to many of the lines that have already been crossed.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Freedom of religion and freedom from religion are one and the same thing. Everyone has a right to the religion of their choice within their own heads and within their own homes and churches, assuming they harm no one in the practice of their religion. Religious beliefs do not free you from following the law, regardless of what you believe. You don't get to ignore taxes. You don't get to engage in human sacrifice. You don't get to discriminate against others. You don't get to fly airplanes into buildings. We have a social standard of behavior that applies to *EVERYONE* in public. One's internal religious beliefs do not make one immune.
    Seems to me that when crosses can't be displayed in cemeteries that is carrying freedom from religion way too far. Crosses over the dead do not always refer to religion anyway. It is just a simple way to mark a grave. No it would not surprise me one bit in today's freedom from religion that the only place soon where one can practice it and show their religious beliefs would be home and in church.

    A cross in a cemetery isn't forcing anyone's religion on anybody. So we go to this freedom from religion doctrine of today.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Seems to me that when crosses can't be displayed in cemeteries that is carrying freedom from religion way too far. Crosses over the dead do not always refer to religion anyway. It is just a simple way to mark a grave. No it would not surprise me one bit in today's freedom from religion that the only place soon where one can practice it and show their religious beliefs would be home and in church.

    A cross in a cemetery isn't forcing anyone's religion on anybody. So we go to this freedom from religion doctrine of today.
    Has anyone forced a cemetery to remove crosses? I haven't heard that one. Most cemeteries are on private property, not public.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Seems to me that when crosses can't be displayed in cemeteries that is carrying freedom from religion way too far. Crosses over the dead do not always refer to religion anyway. It is just a simple way to mark a grave. No it would not surprise me one bit in today's freedom from religion that the only place soon where one can practice it and show their religious beliefs would be home and in church.

    A cross in a cemetery isn't forcing anyone's religion on anybody. So we go to this freedom from religion doctrine of today.

    Who is trying to remove crosses from cemeteries, or more accurately - can you support that with a link about such a story in this country from a credible news source?


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