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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Over 44% of people in the other thread clicked yes to "churches should be forced to preform gay marriages." Small survey sure and not indicative of the overall population, but if we just say Debate readers/pollsters, then it is clear that this pole should be yes as well.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    1.)-Anti-LGBT arguments are mostly based in religion.
    2.) -By far the dominant religion in the US is Christianity.
    3.) -One of Christianity's fundamental precepts is "Thou shalt not give false testimony against thy neighbor." Anti-LGBT arguments such as the ones described in the OP give false testimony against one's neighbor.


    Who are we to trust people who won't even follow their basic precepts??
    1.) sadly this is true but MILLIONS of chrisitinas respect equal rights and support them
    2.) also true see #2
    3.)weird im a christian and i see ZERO reason to infringe on others equal rights nor does anybody at my church including clergy. Also theres nothign about respecting equal rights that factually gives false testimony
    but there are Christians out there that do want to infringe on rights
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    Over 44% of people in the other thread clicked yes to "churches should be forced to preform gay marriages." Small survey sure and not indicative of the overall population, but if we just say Debate readers/pollsters, then it is clear that this pole should be yes as well.
    what thread? theres no body here that things they should be forced the poll was spammed
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) sadly this is true but MILLIONS of chrisitinas respect equal rights and support them
    2.) also true see #2
    3.)weird im a christian and i see ZERO reason to infringe on others equal rights nor does anybody at my church including clergy. Also theres nothign about respecting equal rights that factually gives false testimony
    but there are Christians out there that do want to infringe on rights
    I'm not talking about all Christians, but the ones who won't even follow their basic beliefs.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I'm not talking about all Christians, but the ones who won't even follow their basic beliefs.
    i get that but what basic beliefs are you talking about.
    the example you pointed out isnt a violation

    also id say the vast majority of religious people dont follow all thier beliefs. i certainly dont, i have no problem admitting that nor would i ever (follow them all)
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I'm not talking about all Christians, but the ones who won't even follow their basic beliefs.
    Just because someone labels themselves a Christian doesn't mean they have the same beliefs as other people who also label themselves Christian. Everyone believes what they want to believe and stamps whatever label they want to use on their forehead.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/rational?
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    Until equal rights was given to gays in large ways, personally, Ive never heard this argument which i consider to be completely irrational, a simple fear tactic and conspiracy theory.

    I see no rational basis for this fear based on equal rights for gays since there are rights, laws, the constitution and countless court case precedences blocking something this stupid.

    I havent met one person that thinks churches should be forced and the reality is churches already (before gay rights) legally discriminate on marriages probably in the 1000s a day in this country and always have.

    They have against straight couples, gay couples, based on race, based on religion etc etc etc
    why now, magically, will this change?
    why was it not a fear when minority rights were granted? womans rights? and its never been a fear based on religious discrimination?

    I see ZERO logic in something so absurd BUT, I'm very curious how many people fear this lunacy and thier reasonings . . . maybe im missing something completely logical. SO far I havent seen any, so please share if it happens youll get to do a big I TOLD YOU SO lol

    anyway my vote is no . . HELL NO lol

    also FYI if i ever did see it as a reasonable possibility i would fight my way to the front of the line to fight it tooth and nail!
    Why is it so far fetched when Christian businesses have already been forced to either participate in gay weddings, or go out of business? We either have religious freedom, or we don't.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Why is it so far fetched when Christian businesses have already been forced to either participate in gay weddings, or go out of business? We either have religious freedom, or we don't.
    Because Churches regularly deny marrying couples.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Because Churches regularly deny marrying couples.
    I'm sure the militant gay lobby are working on that as we speak. They might even succeed. I doubt it, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I'm sure the militant gay lobby are working on that as we speak. They might even succeed. I doubt it, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility.
    Unless I can be corrected, I don't think there is even a legal precedent requiring Churches to do so for interracial couples. Marriages from the state cannot discriminate, but as far as I am aware, those protections go out the window when a Church is conducting a religious ceremony.
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