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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by HK.227 View Post
    You are right, it should, but they were running out of time. SSM's were starting to come into effect. Until the city formally declared that they were no longer liable, why take the chance that a complaint might go against them?
    No they weren't running out of time at all. They had until someone filed a complaint. And they had already changed their business model, were just waiting for it to go completely through. There is no difference in cost to them in how they did it and if they were defending themselves against a claim, especially given their status change. In fact, they could likely now incur more costs preempt ing a claim. Hopefully it also costs them business.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No they weren't running out of time at all. They had until someone filed a complaint. And they had already changed their business model, were just waiting for it to go completely through. There is no difference in cost to them in how they did it and if they were defending themselves against a claim, especially given their status change. In fact, they could likely now incur more costs preempt ing a claim. Hopefully it also costs them business.
    It would cost them whatever they had to pay from the moment a complaint was acted upon and until some sort of appeal changed that, plus legal fees.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I am unaware of these exclusive church's you speak of. Can you provide an example?
    Ever try to enter a Mormon temple and you aren't a Mormon? Churches can refuse to make anyone a member of their clergy. Based on anything, race, sex, disability, sexuality, whatever. Do you think the Westboro baptist lye anyone in their church they haven't vetted? Many churches have refused to marry people based on race and religion.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by HK.227 View Post
    It would cost them whatever they had to pay from the moment a complaint was acted upon and until some sort of appeal changed that, plus legal fees.
    It would cost them lawyer fees and court costs, the same as now, but only from the time they learned about any complaints. Fines and such only come up if they are deemed to have actually violated the law. If they are found to have to abide by these laws, then it won't matter if they were defending or started the action. In fact by them starting this action they are only costing themselves more money in legal fees and lawyer costs, whether the law is found to legally apply to them or not.

    If they lost this case (not likely, given the info we have and what the city has put out, it will likely be dismissed), then they are still liable and actually more likely to have a complaint filed against them. If they are found to not be covered by the law, exempt from it, then this would be the same outcome defending a complaint but not cost them as much.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    There is already talk about removing church's tax exempt status. I suspect that some church's will "knuckle-under" to keep thier tax exempt status by agreeing to marrying homosexual couples.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    There is already talk about removing church's tax exempt status. I suspect that some church's will "knuckle-under" to keep thier tax exempt status by agreeing to marrying homosexual couples.
    From who? Extremists? Certainly not a majority of same sex marriage supporters.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    There is already talk about removing church's tax exempt status. I suspect that some church's will "knuckle-under" to keep thier tax exempt status by agreeing to marrying homosexual couples.
    It hardly seems probable that the Catholics or Lutherans could marry homos. If they do, they will have become new religions.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/rational?
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    Until equal rights was given to gays in large ways, personally, Ive never heard this argument which i consider to be completely irrational, a simple fear tactic and conspiracy theory.

    I see no rational basis for this fear based on equal rights for gays since there are rights, laws, the constitution and countless court case precedences blocking something this stupid.

    I havent met one person that thinks churches should be forced and the reality is churches already (before gay rights) legally discriminate on marriages probably in the 1000s a day in this country and always have.

    They have against straight couples, gay couples, based on race, based on religion etc etc etc
    why now, magically, will this change?
    why was it not a fear when minority rights were granted? womans rights? and its never been a fear based on religious discrimination?

    I see ZERO logic in something so absurd BUT, I'm very curious how many people fear this lunacy and thier reasonings . . . maybe im missing something completely logical. SO far I havent seen any, so please share if it happens youll get to do a big I TOLD YOU SO lol

    anyway my vote is no . . HELL NO lol

    also FYI if i ever did see it as a reasonable possibility i would fight my way to the front of the line to fight it tooth and nail!
    No, I don't. Churches are private organizations who should abstain from politics and therefore politics shall abstain from churches. Gay marriages will take place in some churches by choice and or edict, but most will be civil services I think.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/rational?
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    yes
    other

    Until equal rights was given to gays in large ways, personally, Ive never heard this argument which i consider to be completely irrational, a simple fear tactic and conspiracy theory.

    I see no rational basis for this fear based on equal rights for gays since there are rights, laws, the constitution and countless court case precedences blocking something this stupid.

    I havent met one person that thinks churches should be forced and the reality is churches already (before gay rights) legally discriminate on marriages probably in the 1000s a day in this country and always have.

    They have against straight couples, gay couples, based on race, based on religion etc etc etc
    why now, magically, will this change?
    why was it not a fear when minority rights were granted? womans rights? and its never been a fear based on religious discrimination?

    I see ZERO logic in something so absurd BUT, I'm very curious how many people fear this lunacy and thier reasonings . . . maybe im missing something completely logical. SO far I havent seen any, so please share if it happens youll get to do a big I TOLD YOU SO lol

    anyway my vote is no . . HELL NO lol

    also FYI if i ever did see it as a reasonable possibility i would fight my way to the front of the line to fight it tooth and nail!
    Only a total jerk could demand religious persons of majority Christian Congregations participate in gay marriages.

    But there are a lot of jerks out there, so beware!

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Only a total jerk could demand religious persons of majority Christian Congregations participate in gay marriages.

    But there are a lot of jerks out there, so beware!
    well good thing thats not going on, so as a christian im completely safe
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