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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That has nothing to do with this case. If a judge decided that the law applies to them, then that decision is overturned later, the restraining order wouldn't make any difference. It wouldn't change how much damages they incurred whether they had the restraining order or not.
    How would the judge do that if a federal court said noone could file the complaint until the constitutional aspects of the case were settled?
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by HK.227 View Post
    How would the judge do that if a federal court said noone could file the complaint until the constitutional aspects of the case were settled?
    There is no constitutional grounds to file any complaint. The business in question did not face any legal action or damages against them. Such actions could easily be used to tie up any such laws in court just to cause issues later.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by HK.227 View Post
    "Still". Adverb. - Happening or existing before now and continuing into the present.
    A small deviation would seem natural, but we are talking 5 months. I would at the very least call that a misrepresentation of fact.
    A lawyer representing facts in a light most complementary to the case they are trying to make. Not a real shock there.


    Quote Originally Posted by HK.227 View Post
    And since that is not in dispute, nor relevant to the suit at the time it was filed, I fail to see why you keep mentioning it.
    I did agree with you that the suit is now pretty much irrelevant a few posts back, you know.
    Didn't say it was relevant to the suit at the time it was filed. It is though relevant to whether the suit will proceed.


    Quote Originally Posted by HK.227 View Post
    If that was an appeal to authority, it wasn't a very convincing one. The merits of any case are up to the judge or jury to decide.
    We are starting to go over ground we've covered already, so unless you have something new to add...
    Not an appeal to authority, a recognition of a fact. The city has formally said that The Hitching Post, LLC, which no longer performs Civil Marriages, is exempt from the law under the religious corporation clause. As such a summary dismissal is in order if the ADF doesn't withdraw the case since there is no case of merit remaining. We'll have to see what the result is, IIRC there was another recent delay so it will be sometime in February before we find out if their will by either (a) a decision based on filings or a (b) a hearing on the merits. There will be no "jury" deciding this case, it's not criminal law it's a civil case so it will be up to the Judge.


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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There is no constitutional grounds to file any complaint. The business in question did not face any legal action or damages against them. Such actions could easily be used to tie up any such laws in court just to cause issues later.
    At the time the suit was filed, they had not yet been notified by the city that they were considered exempt, so it would not be unreasonable to believe that a complaint was imminent.
    And yes they could, but the same could be said for any restraining order, so unless you're advocating that they should be abolished...
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    We'll have to see what the result is, IIRC there was another recent delay so it will be sometime in February before we find out if their will by either (a) a decision based on filings or a (b) a hearing on the merits.
    February. Thanks for the information.
    I doubt if the Court will have anything interesting to say though. If the imminent danger of violation of rights the suit claimed to exist are gone, the court won't have to rule on the "meat" of the case.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    What's the difference in telling a church/religious organization that they must perform services outside of their beliefs and telling a florist, baker, photographer or other business/individual that they must participate in a service outside of their religious beliefs?
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by HK.227 View Post
    At the time the suit was filed, they had not yet been notified by the city that they were considered exempt, so it would not be unreasonable to believe that a complaint was imminent.
    And yes they could, but the same could be said for any restraining order, so unless you're advocating that they should be abolished...
    They had already filed to change their status which would then make them exempt. Their wise why bother to change their status and business model?
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    What's the difference in telling a church/religious organization that they must perform services outside of their beliefs and telling a florist, baker, photographer or other business/individual that they must participate in a service outside of their religious beliefs?
    Public businesses which are selling personal goods and legally and economically limited in how many can operate are different from private churches which don't sell anything and are not limited by their numbers. Anyone can start their own church up and it could discriminate for any reasons because they are not providing goods or services to the public.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They had already filed to change their status which would then make them exempt. Their wise why bother to change their status and business model?
    You are right, it should, but they were running out of time. SSM's were starting to come into effect. Until the city formally declared that they were no longer liable, why take the chance that a complaint might go against them?
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Public businesses which are selling personal goods and legally and economically limited in how many can operate are different from private churches which don't sell anything and are not limited by their numbers. Anyone can start their own church up and it could discriminate for any reasons because they are not providing goods or services to the public.
    I am unaware of these exclusive church's you speak of. Can you provide an example?
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