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Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/rational?

Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/rational?


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Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

I've been on political message boards since 2004, no I don't remember any bru-ha-ha about cemeterieis having to remove crosses in California or anywhere else in this country.




Sorry, you are the one that claimed crosses were being removed from cemeteries, the burden is on you to substantiate your claims.

It's typically considered poor message board etiquette to ask someone else to find proof of the things you claim.


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Another poster said they was on public land. I suppose it won't be a year or two when all the crosses are removed from Arlington. All I can do is wax when the time was people respected other people and didn't try to enforce their views on others via the law. So be it, I think it is a good time to be old so I won't see where this country is headed to become a reality. Anyway, time to get the grand kids to be so I can take them to school in the AM. Take care.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Sure it matters because there is a difference in crosses on public land and crosses in cemetaries, over/as part of tomb stones.

And this isn't about not wanting anyone to be religious at all, but rather not having the government appear to endorse any specific religion.

The government doesn't endorse any religion what so ever. I am not taxed to support any religion or no laws have been passed to say I must be this or that religion. But judges have ruled you can't show your religion in certain places and nixed the practices of it. The government has endorsed atheism. The first amendment says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercises thereof. But judges have certainly prohibited the free exercise thereof in favor of endorsing atheism.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Another poster said they was on public land. I suppose it won't be a year or two when all the crosses are removed from Arlington. All I can do is wax when the time was people respected other people and didn't try to enforce their views on others via the law. So be it, I think it is a good time to be old so I won't see where this country is headed to become a reality. Anyway, time to get the grand kids to be so I can take them to school in the AM. Take care.

I don't think you need to worry about waxing anytime soon.

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Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Another poster said they was on public land. I suppose it won't be a year or two when all the crosses are removed from Arlington. All I can do is wax when the time was people respected other people and didn't try to enforce their views on others via the law. So be it, I think it is a good time to be old so I won't see where this country is headed to become a reality. Anyway, time to get the grand kids to be so I can take them to school in the AM. Take care.


I've walked through Arlington to pay my respects to fallen comrades in arms. I saw Crosses, Stars of David, Mormon symbols, and Native American symbols, I saw Buddhist symbols and Hindu symbols. Even a symbol for an Atheist.


The likelihood that someone is going to get crosses removed from Arlington is "slim" and "none" and Slim left town.


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Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Sure it matters because there is a difference in crosses on public land and crosses in cemetaries, over/as part of tomb stones.

And this isn't about not wanting anyone to be religious at all, but rather not having the government appear to endorse any specific religion.

It's idiotic. Some of these crosses are historical. What does it hurt atheists to leave these historical landmarks alone? Bunch of intolerant assholes. It's okay, their time will come. This **** won't be tolerated forever.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Give it a couple of years and it will come to pass. I got to run. Wife is getting the baseball bat. Until next time.

Lol, I thought my wife was the only one who did that. :mrgreen:
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Give it a couple of years and it will come to pass. I got to run. Wife is getting the baseball bat. Until next time.

Nobody in their right mind will go after graves in a public cemetery. Do you have any idea how many people are buried in public cemeteries in the US? Have fun dodging bats with your balls ;)
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

I've walked through Arlington to pay my respects to fallen comrades in arms. I saw Crosses, Stars of David, Mormon symbols, and Native American symbols, I saw Buddhist symbols and Hindu symbols. Even a symbol for an Atheist.


The likelihood that someone is going to get crosses removed from Arlington is "slim" and "none" and Slim left town.


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Greetings, WorldWatcher. :2wave:

I hope you're right. The deceased didn't put them there, friends or family did. How sad for a parent to visit their child's last resting place and find the symbols of their remembrance gone. When did a cross or any other religious symbol from any faith become such a threat that it had to be removed? What is so scary about them?
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Give it a couple of years and it will come to pass. I got to run. Wife is getting the baseball bat. Until next time.

Be well!
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Greetings, WorldWatcher. :2wave:

I hope you're right. The deceased didn't put them there, friends or family did. How sad for a parent to visit their child's last resting place and find the symbols of their remembrance gone. When did a cross or any other religious symbol from any faith become such a threat that it had to be removed? What is so scary about them?

Nothing wrong with them at all, and no one has said differently, at least no one with any true power or backing in this area. The fact that the military is being made to allow other symbols shows that they are going basically the opposite way on this, allowing many more religious symbols to represent all individual religious preferences rather than just a few.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Everything was alright until one person decided to ruin it for everyone else. No respect from folks today.

Respect goes both ways, you know.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

being in favor of gay weddings says nothing about the right of churches to not perform them. It is the government who should acknowledge the fact that the are legal, not force churches to wed gays or lesbians against their wishes.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

being in favor of gay weddings says nothing about the right of churches to not perform them. It is the government who should acknowledge the fact that the are legal, not force churches to wed gays or lesbians against their wishes.

The govt isn't forcing churches to wed gays and lesbians. Any more than it is forcing synagogues to wed Christians or Catholic churches to wed Muslims.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

I've walked through Arlington to pay my respects to fallen comrades in arms. I saw Crosses, Stars of David, Mormon symbols, and Native American symbols, I saw Buddhist symbols and Hindu symbols. Even a symbol for an Atheist.


The likelihood that someone is going to get crosses removed from Arlington is "slim" and "none" and Slim left town.


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Good Morning, I hope you are right. But in today's days and age I highly doubt it.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Respect goes both ways, you know.

Sure it does and good morning. I do not push my religion on anyone and very rarely talk about it. I do wish there was a decent way to stop all them 7th Day folks from coming by the house every once in a long while. I would be very happy to just let things be. What is, is. Trying to change or take down crosses if not letting things be or respecting others. It is taking actions against someone else, by doing so it is showing their lack of respect.

I am very easy, just let things be. What is there is there. Do not try to force your beliefs or non-beliefs upon others.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Greetings, WorldWatcher. :2wave:

I hope you're right. The deceased didn't put them there, friends or family did. How sad for a parent to visit their child's last resting place and find the symbols of their remembrance gone. When did a cross or any other religious symbol from any faith become such a threat that it had to be removed? What is so scary about them?

Morn'n...

The idea that religious symbols are being removed form veterans cemeteries is false, so there is nothing to be sad about.


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Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Oh, complaining because you don't actually own the definition of any word again? Too bad. Part of language, part of life is that things, including words, change. That is not something outside of the norm at all.

Regardless, changing marriage into something it has never been is an extremist position.

If someone doesn't want to bake a wedding cake or photograph an interracial or interfaith wedding or the wedding of someone of a certain faith, they too are sued and "run out of business" because it is illegal discrimination based on protected classification and viewed as wrong by enough people to lead to a person not getting enough business for their poor business decisions.

Except we’re not talking about “interracial” marriages. We’re talking about homosexual marriages. And while you insist that churches will not be forced to marry homosexuals--above you state that “f someone doesn't want to bake a wedding cake or photograph an…interfaith wedding or the wedding of someone of a certain faith, they too are sued and ‘run out of business’ because it is illegal discrimination…”. Sorry, don’t know how to break it to you but someone who thinks it’s okay to marry someone of the same-sex has a very different faith (“interfaith”) from the one described in the Christian Bible and practiced by a majority of Christian Churches.

There is absolutely no proof at all that churches would ever be forced to perform weddings for anyone they don't want to and a lot of evidence that this won't happen. Or are you of the mindset that the only people that have ever filed discrimination lawsuits against any businesses are gays? If so, you would be greatly mistaken.

Trying to argue a strawman, are we?

Like it or not, forcing people to involve their businesses in unwanted homosexual marriages in not a far cry from forcing churches to marry homosexuals. In my mind this is simply a foregone conclusion. In my opinion, churches will be forced to marry homosexuals or be forced to give up their tax exempt status.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

In today's day and age, not much surprises me anymore. I do not think any church should be required to marry anyone for whatever reason. Is it irrational to fear that a church might be forced to, maybe, maybe not.

its irrational because theres no steps in law that can be taken to do so unless the constitution is amended.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Regardless, changing marriage into something it has never been is an extremist position.

Except we’re not talking about “interracial” marriages. We’re talking about homosexual marriages. And while you insist that churches will not be forced to marry homosexuals--above you state that “f someone doesn't want to bake a wedding cake or photograph an…interfaith wedding or the wedding of someone of a certain faith, they too are sued and ‘run out of business’ because it is illegal discrimination…”. Sorry, don’t know how to break it to you but someone who thinks it’s okay to marry someone of the same-sex has a very different faith (“interfaith”) from the one described in the Christian Bible and practiced by a majority of Christian Churches.

Trying to argue a strawman, are we?

Like it or not, forcing people to involve their businesses in unwanted homosexual marriages in not a far cry from forcing churches to marry homosexuals. In my mind this is simply a foregone conclusion. In my opinion, churches will be forced to marry homosexuals or be forced to give up their tax exempt status.


Since marriage has included same sex couples in the past then there is no change to something it has never been.

We are talking about how laws apply to people based on characteristics, one is race another is sexuality in some states. They work the same for either person who is being discriminated against based on those characteristics, for whatever people want to try to claim for that discrimination.

Upholding public accommodation laws is a far cry from forcing churches to perform same sex weddings because churches have always been exempt from public accommodation laws. They are not businesses.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Sure it does and good morning. I do not push my religion on anyone and very rarely talk about it. I do wish there was a decent way to stop all them 7th Day folks from coming by the house every once in a long while. I would be very happy to just let things be. What is, is. Trying to change or take down crosses if not letting things be or respecting others. It is taking actions against someone else, by doing so it is showing their lack of respect.

I am very easy, just let things be. What is there is there. Do not try to force your beliefs or non-beliefs upon others.

And on the flip side only allowing one particular religious icon and forbidding others is not respecting others. See the Oklahoma 10 commandments issue, or the bibles only handed out in Florida.
It is an all or nothing issue. Why should only one religion (generally Christian) be represented on public land and not all others?
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Since marriagehas included same sex couples in the past then there is no change to somethingit has never been.

Until very recently marriage has between men and women so, “yes”, it is a change.

We are talking about how laws apply to people basedon characteristics, one is race another is sexuality in some states. They workthe same for either person who is being discriminated against based on thosecharacteristics, for whatever people want to try to claim for thatdiscrimination.

Exactly why I believe churches will beforced to marry homosexuals or lose their tax exempt status.

Upholding public accommodation laws is a far cryfrom forcing churches to perform same sex weddings because churches have alwaysbeen exempt from public accommodation laws. They are not businesses.

And yet Obamacare is forcing churches to provide abortion coverage which is anathema to churches. The same will hold true with homosexual marriages.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

1.)Until very recently marriage has between men and women so, “yes”, it is a change.
2.)Exactly why I believe churches will beforced to marry homosexuals or lose their tax exempt status.
3.)And yet Obamacare is forcing churches to provide abortion coverage which is anathema to churches. The same will hold true with homosexual marriages.[/FONT][/COLOR]

1.) history disagrees
2.) based on what legality?
3.) LMAO please stay on topic and use RELEVANT facts based on legality
 
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Until very recently marriage has between men and women so, “yes”, it is a change.



Exactly why I believe churches will beforced to marry homosexuals or lose their tax exempt status.



And yet Obamacare is forcing churches to provide abortion coverage which is anathema to churches. The same will hold true with homosexual marriages.

Yet no church is forced to marry interracial couples, or black couples, or previously divorced couples, or people of other religions.

What CHURCH was forced to pay for abortions?
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration



Until very recently marriage has between men and women so, “yes”, it is a change.



Exactly why I believe churches will beforced to marry homosexuals or lose their tax exempt status.



And yet Obamacare is forcing churches to provide abortion coverage which is anathema to churches. The same will hold true with homosexual marriages.

It hasn't been exclusively between a man and a woman. Just because you feel that the recognition wasn't at the same level or wish to deny this, same sex couples got married in the past, and considered themselves married as well, even when they couldn't actually legally get it recognized. They had as much right to claim the definition of married then as they do now.

As for the abortion thing, you are confusing a state mandate with Obamacare. I haven't found anything saying otherwise except for coverage of things like contraceptives and Plan B, which is not an abortion drug. Plus there are exemptions for churches. I don't like Obamacare at all, but it is wrong to lie or repeat lies about it just because you don't want to find out the truth.

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I don't agree with that mandate and it is right to challenge it. Has nothing to do with same sex marriage and is not comparable.
 
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