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Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 9 37.5%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 4 16.7%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • Im not American, no.

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • Total voters
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Moot said:
Hi MMC..... :2wave:


If you're counting bodies 9/11 happened under Bush's watch.

The two brothers in Paris were inspired to join Al Qaeda because of the Iraq invasion and Abu Graib.
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Heya Moot.
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Its not.....and its from after Bush. You can google it and there is no doubt that Terrorism has increased and expanded under BO.

Deflecting to Bush doesn't change the reality.
 
cpwill said:
That is incorrect.

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Lets see here. The time farme where you say "has leveled off" seems to be from 2008-2011. I see it clearly still going up in 2008-2009is... But lets look more in depth shall we?
2008: 4819 incidents GTD Search Results
2009: 4761 incidents GTD Search Results
2010: 4851 incidents GTD Search Results
2011: 5091 incidents GTD Search Results
--These are all attacks in the world--

If "leveling off" means 58 less attacks but then immediately the next year jumps back up again, then congrats it "leveled off" but infact the attacks have been increasing.
 
MMC said:
Heya Moot.
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Its not.....and its from after Bush. You can google it and there is no doubt that Terrorism has increased and expanded under BO.

Deflecting to Bush doesn't change the reality.
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Still....Bush wins the prize for most people killed on US soil from terrorist attack(s). I would argue this thread is trying to deflect from that fact.
 
eohrnberger said:
CP, do you have a link for the page that this came from? I'd like to read the article. Thanks in advance.
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Its right here: After 13 years, 2 wars and trillions in military spending, terrorist attacks are rising sharply - The Washington Post

Was also in my post in #27
"The report suggests that U.S. foreign policy has played a big role in making the problem worse: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq," it concludes. "This created large power vacuums in the country allowing different factions to surface and become violent." Indeed, among the five countries accounting for the bulk of attacks, the U.S. has prosecuted lengthy ground wars in two (Iraq and Afghanistan), a drone campaign in one (Pakistan), and airstrikes in a fourth (Syria)."
 
Moot said:
Still....Bush wins the prize for most people killed on US soil from terrorist attack(s). I would argue this thread is trying to deflect from that fact.
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Not if you go by the title. But then if you wanted to get into Histories. The Demos can't be matched with NAM. 56k.....dead!

You don't think they should be allowed to forget that.....do you?
 
MMC said:
Not if you go by the title. But then if you wanted to get into Histories. The Demos can't be matched with NAM. 56k.....dead!

You don't think they should be allowed to forget that.....do you?
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So Nixon was not involved in the Vietnam war? How revisionist of you. And the over 21,000 American deaths during his terms certainly contradict that.
 
Moot said:
Still....Bush wins the prize for most people killed on US soil from terrorist attack(s). I would argue this thread is trying to deflect from that fact.
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And Libbos complain about ODS? :lamo
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Its right here: After 13 years, 2 wars and trillions in military spending, terrorist attacks are rising sharply - The Washington Post

Was also in my post in #27
"The report suggests that U.S. foreign policy has played a big role in making the problem worse: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq," it concludes. "This created large power vacuums in the country allowing different factions to surface and become violent." Indeed, among the five countries accounting for the bulk of attacks, the U.S. has prosecuted lengthy ground wars in two (Iraq and Afghanistan), a drone campaign in one (Pakistan), and airstrikes in a fourth (Syria)."
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Sorry I missed that, and thanks!
 
apdst said:
ISIS is in Syria, too. Is that also Bush's fault?
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Of course it is. Who else invaded Iraq and created the monsters that became ISIS? Like you didn't know? I guess you didn't know that the invasion of Iraq was the worst foreign policy mistake in modern history either. Besides the heavy costs in American blood and treasure, it started the largest recruiting drive in Al Qaeda's history. We will be fighting those recruits for decades. Well Bush did say he wanted them to "bring it on", I guess they took him at his word. I'de like to see Bush over there now leading the charge.

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) used to have a different name: al Qaeda in Iraq.

US troops and allied Sunni militias defeated al Qaeda in Iraq during the post-2006 "surge" — but it didn't destroy them. The US commander in Iraq, General Ray Odierno, described the group in 2010 as down but "fundamentally the same." In 2011, the group rebooted. ISIS successfully freed a number of prisoners held by the Iraqi government and, slowly but surely, began rebuilding their strength.

ISIS and al-Qaeda divorced in February 2014. "Over the years, there have been many signs that the relationship between al Qaeda Central (AQC) and the group's strongest, most unruly franchise was strained," Barack Mendelsohn, a political scientist at Haverford College, writes. Their relationship "had always been more a matter of mutual interests than of shared ideology."
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ISIS used to be al-Qaeda in Iraq - 17 things about ISIS and Iraq you need to know - Vox
 
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iguanaman said:
So Nixon was not involved in the Vietnam war? How revisionist of you. And the over 21,000 American deaths during his terms certainly contradict that.
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Yeah he was and no one said he wasnt, at the end.....but perhaps you should take a look at who was doing the Monday Night Quarterbacking. That led to what he took over. From the 450k troops Johnson sent.

Moreover this doesn't change up anything with the deflection with Bush and how terrorism has increased under BO.
 
apdst said:
So, Bush created the terrorists?

Keep going, you're doing a great job of proving my point for me.
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He wrote the recuiting posters for Al Qaeda and sent 100's of thousands of targets for jihadists into their backyard so yes you could say he created them. Thee was no Al Qaeda presence in Iraq before Bush invaded and took out Sadaam for them.
 
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MMC said:
Yeah he was and no one said he wasnt, at the end.....but perhaps you should take a look at who was doing the Monday Night Quarterbacking. That led to what he took over. From the 450k troops Johnson sent.

Moreover this doesn't change up anything with the deflection with Bush and how terrorism has increased under BO.
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Johnson resigned because of botching the war and Nixon simply did the same thing in spades. Both parties are equally responsible for that debacle. Bush is entirely responsible for the creation of the most terrorists recruits in history because of his invasion of Iraq. We will be fighting those recruits for decades..
 
iguanaman said:
He wrote the recuiting posters for Al Qaeda and sent 100's of thousands of targets for jihadists into their backyard so yes you could say he created them.
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Right! Its Bush's fault! :lamp

The terrorists, on the other hand, don't have anything to with the...terrorism. :lamo
 
apdst said:
Right! Its Bush's fault! :lamp

The terrorists, on the other hand, don't have anything to with the...terrorism. :lamo
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Are you denying that Bush told the terrorists to "bring it on" and they did and are still bringing it on?
 
iguanaman said:
Are you denying that Bush told the terrorists to "bring it on" and they did and are still bringing it on?
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More Bushist excuses! I love it! :lamo
 
iguanaman said:
Johnson resigned because of botching the war and Nixon simply did the same thing in spades. Both parties are equally responsible for that debacle. Bush is entirely responsible for the creation of the most terrorists recruits in history because of his invasion of Iraq. We will be fighting those recruits for decades..
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The Taliban had contacts with terrorist groups all over the place. Even before Bush became President.

The question here asks if terrorism has flourished under BO. Not Bush.....just BO and his Time.
 
MMC said:
The Taliban had contacts with terrorist groups all over the place. Even before Bush became President.

The question here asks if terrorism has flourished under BO. Not Bush.....just BO and his Time.
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That's the problem with history, actions have consequences that often exceed a Presidents term. You can't talk about the rise of terror without Bush as much as we would all like too. Who wouldn't want to forget Bush? Do you think we like to relive that nightmare?
 
Redress said:
This is why the correlation game is a stupid game. Terrorist attacks in Iraq the last year of data(2013) was a little over 600. Your chart shows almost 10k attacks at that time. SO we are supposed to beleive that the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq influenced the number of terror attacks, everywhere, by a huge margin. That seems...unlikely at best.
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That is interesting. Is it your opinion, then, that Islamist Fundamentalists and their potential supporters are uniquely not tied into global news networks, social media networks, and the like?


That would sort of violate almost everything we know about this movement, which is almost defined in the modern era through media operations (which both bin Laden and Zawahiri said was the most important line of operation), but if you have anything to show supporting that, I'd be interested to see it.

To put it another way, terror attacks in Iraq, 2010 to 2013 goes from about 120 to just over 600. In contrast, in Russia, attacks during that time have gone from a little over 500 to over 1400, or a much larger rise.
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:shrug: take a look at the darker and lighter red - you will notice that they generally move in tandem. Yes. Perceived success of Islamist Fundamentalist terrorism in one portion of the globe inspires and increases adherence in other portions of the globe. That is part of why ISIL declaring a Caliphate is so huge - it has reached out to and inspired jihadists globally, allowing them to establish support networks that span continents and oceans and increase local levels of threat all over.


Edit: sorry if that came off as excessively snarky - it wasn't intended to be abusive.
 
Redress said:
Seems like it would be more acurate to say it has skyrocketed under the republican House of Representatives. It was kinda flat the first couple years after Obama took office, then went way up once republicans took the house.
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I bought a new chainsaw right around that time. I'm attributing the increase to that event.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Lets see here. The time farme where you say "has leveled off" seems to be from 2008-2011. I see it clearly still going up in 2008-2009is... But lets look more in depth shall we?
2008: 4819 incidents GTD Search Results
2009: 4761 incidents GTD Search Results
2010: 4851 incidents GTD Search Results
2011: 5091 incidents GTD Search Results
--These are all attacks in the world--

If "leveling off" means 58 less attacks but then immediately the next year jumps back up again, then congrats it "leveled off" but infact the attacks have been increasing.
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"raises eyebrow" Did you attend a public school where they did taught you neither how to read charts nor the definition of "exponential"?

Yes. Attacks leveled off, and then indeed started to spike again.
 
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