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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Still....Bush wins the prize for most people killed on US soil from terrorist attack(s). I would argue this thread is trying to deflect from that fact.
    Not if you go by the title. But then if you wanted to get into Histories. The Demos can't be matched with NAM. 56k.....dead!

    You don't think they should be allowed to forget that.....do you?

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Obama didn't invade Iraq and looky where ISIL is.
    ISIS is in Syria, too. Is that also Bush's fault?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Not if you go by the title. But then if you wanted to get into Histories. The Demos can't be matched with NAM. 56k.....dead!

    You don't think they should be allowed to forget that.....do you?
    So Nixon was not involved in the Vietnam war? How revisionist of you. And the over 21,000 American deaths during his terms certainly contradict that.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Still....Bush wins the prize for most people killed on US soil from terrorist attack(s). I would argue this thread is trying to deflect from that fact.
    And Libbos complain about ODS?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its right here: After 13 years, 2 wars and trillions in military spending, terrorist attacks are rising sharply - The Washington Post

    Was also in my post in #27
    "The report suggests that U.S. foreign policy has played a big role in making the problem worse: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq," it concludes. "This created large power vacuums in the country allowing different factions to surface and become violent." Indeed, among the five countries accounting for the bulk of attacks, the U.S. has prosecuted lengthy ground wars in two (Iraq and Afghanistan), a drone campaign in one (Pakistan), and airstrikes in a fourth (Syria)."
    Sorry I missed that, and thanks!
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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    ISIS is in Syria, too. Is that also Bush's fault?
    Of course it is. Who else invaded Iraq and created the monsters that became ISIS? Like you didn't know? I guess you didn't know that the invasion of Iraq was the worst foreign policy mistake in modern history either. Besides the heavy costs in American blood and treasure, it started the largest recruiting drive in Al Qaeda's history. We will be fighting those recruits for decades. Well Bush did say he wanted them to "bring it on", I guess they took him at his word. I'de like to see Bush over there now leading the charge.

    The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) used to have a different name: al Qaeda in Iraq.

    US troops and allied Sunni militias defeated al Qaeda in Iraq during the post-2006 "surge" — but it didn't destroy them. The US commander in Iraq, General Ray Odierno, described the group in 2010 as down but "fundamentally the same." In 2011, the group rebooted. ISIS successfully freed a number of prisoners held by the Iraqi government and, slowly but surely, began rebuilding their strength.

    ISIS and al-Qaeda divorced in February 2014. "Over the years, there have been many signs that the relationship between al Qaeda Central (AQC) and the group's strongest, most unruly franchise was strained," Barack Mendelsohn, a political scientist at Haverford College, writes. Their relationship "had always been more a matter of mutual interests than of shared ideology."
    ISIS used to be al-Qaeda in Iraq - 17 things about ISIS and Iraq you need to know - Vox
    Last edited by iguanaman; 01-09-15 at 04:33 PM.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Of course it is. Who else invaded Iraq and created the monsters that became ISIS?

    The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) used to have a different name: al Qaeda in Iraq.



    ISIS used to be al-Qaeda in Iraq - 17 things about ISIS and Iraq you need to know - Vox
    So, Bush created the terrorists?

    Keep going, you're doing a great job of proving my point for me.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So Nixon was not involved in the Vietnam war? How revisionist of you. And the over 21,000 American deaths during his terms certainly contradict that.
    Yeah he was and no one said he wasnt, at the end.....but perhaps you should take a look at who was doing the Monday Night Quarterbacking. That led to what he took over. From the 450k troops Johnson sent.

    Moreover this doesn't change up anything with the deflection with Bush and how terrorism has increased under BO.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, Bush created the terrorists?

    Keep going, you're doing a great job of proving my point for me.
    He wrote the recuiting posters for Al Qaeda and sent 100's of thousands of targets for jihadists into their backyard so yes you could say he created them. Thee was no Al Qaeda presence in Iraq before Bush invaded and took out Sadaam for them.
    Last edited by iguanaman; 01-09-15 at 04:42 PM.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah he was and no one said he wasnt, at the end.....but perhaps you should take a look at who was doing the Monday Night Quarterbacking. That led to what he took over. From the 450k troops Johnson sent.

    Moreover this doesn't change up anything with the deflection with Bush and how terrorism has increased under BO.
    Johnson resigned because of botching the war and Nixon simply did the same thing in spades. Both parties are equally responsible for that debacle. Bush is entirely responsible for the creation of the most terrorists recruits in history because of his invasion of Iraq. We will be fighting those recruits for decades..

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