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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Oh for crying out loud. I guess we should have stayed in that country for the next century spending a 100 billion a year there. Mind you, even the Iraqi government did not want us there anymore and if we stayed they wanted us to agree to subject our soldiers to their courts of law. Nevertheless, to appease the chicken hawks that "bravely" commit American lives and tax dollars to their failed nation building social experiments, we should have just stayed there doing all we could to cobble the country together with its corrupt and ineffectual government indefinitely.
    A small force to maintain a constant presence (as in Germany, Japan, etc) would have done that. In the mean time the nation could have gotten its footing-but instead Obama pulled out and lost the peace-and now we are back. So you tell me outside of helping Obama in an election season-who benefited?

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    In that terrorism is the use of violence by non-governmental entities in order to achieve a political goal, no. Terrorism seems to be pretty unchanged as a tactic for a long long time. Don't forget, World War 1 began with an act of terrorism. What is currently different is Islamic terrorism, but that's just the current breed. There were different types before and there will be different types after. That's one more reason why the war on terror is bull. It's really a war on the political sovereignty of a handful of oil rich nations.
    Nobody is claiming terrorism is a new tactic-though you referencing its history does bring up the fact that at the very least, these attacks were able to be suppressed in the past-but that came through oppression and violence.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    A small force to maintain a constant presence (as in Germany, Japan, etc) would have done that. In the mean time the nation could have gotten its footing-but instead Obama pulled out and lost the peace-and now we are back. So you tell me outside of helping Obama in an election season-who benefited?
    A little Social Studies lesson for you: Iraq is not Germany or Japan.

    ISIS has about 30,000 members or so depending on the estimate. Iraq has about 250,000 in its military. Yet, despite having nearly 9 times as many people in it's Army and being much better equipped than ISIS, the Iraqi government cannot defeat ISIS in its own country because it is that corrupt and impotent. If you think that leaving some little residual force in Iraq would have made any difference then you are in a dream world. It takes a brutal dictator to keep Iraq under control. The only time we ever even remotely pacified the country was during the surge, and that was hardly a small force. We either need to accept the fact it would a surge level military commitment indefinitely to pacify that country or we need to find another dictator to prop up there. Of course, had we left the last dictator running it and contained, we would not have these problems today.
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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A little Social Studies lesson for you: Iraq is not Germany or Japan.

    ISIS has about 30,000 members or so depending on the estimate. Iraq has about 250,000 in its military. Yet, despite having nearly 9 times as many people in it's Army and being much better equipped than ISIS, the Iraqi government cannot defeat ISIS in its own country because it is that corrupt and impotent. If you think that leaving some little residual force in Iraq would have made any difference then you are in a dream world. It takes a brutal dictator to keep Iraq under control. The only time we ever even remotely pacified the country was during the surge, and that was hardly a small force. We either need to accept the fact it would a surge level military commitment indefinitely to pacify that country or we need to find another dictator to prop up there. Of course, had we left the last dictator running it and contained, we would not have these problems today.
    How long did reconstruction take after the civil war? WW2? We left Iraq to the wolves, and now we are right back in with thousands of US troops. Even if you supported the withdrawal-its a failure now.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Nobody is claiming terrorism is a new tactic-though you referencing its history does bring up the fact that at the very least, these attacks were able to be suppressed in the past-but that came through oppression and violence.
    They were not suppressed at all. The oppression and violence only served to make them inevitable.
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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So then you mean to say that yes terror has expanded under Obama, as a results of his policies?
    Oh boy... You claim to one to have a honest poll, but you even admit you cant have an honest poll...


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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    They were not suppressed at all. The oppression and violence only served to make them inevitable.
    No! No! Dont bring up how the "war on terror" actually creates more terror!!!

    "The report suggests that U.S. foreign policy has played a big role in making the problem worse: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq," it concludes. "This created large power vacuums in the country allowing different factions to surface and become violent." Indeed, among the five countries accounting for the bulk of attacks, the U.S. has prosecuted lengthy ground wars in two (Iraq and Afghanistan), a drone campaign in one (Pakistan), and airstrikes in a fourth (Syria)." After 13 years, 2 wars and trillions in military spending, terrorist attacks are rising sharply - The Washington Post

    C'mon, we have to keep up the talking points and hackery only about how this is Obama's fault and not the broader picture of the war on terror, and the continuation of the war on terror brought under Obama (which somehow they are for, but against because its Obama???)...


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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    They were not suppressed at all. The oppression and violence only served to make them inevitable.
    These radical groups were very much suppressed-by the Ottomans, Russians, British, French, etc. And while its true that the baseline for those cultures has always been violent, at the very least these terror attacks were generally suppressed.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Oh boy... You claim to one to have a honest poll, but you even admit you cant have an honest poll...
    You've already admitted that terror is flourishing under Obama.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    These radical groups were very much suppressed-by the Ottomans, Russians, British, French, etc. And while its true that the baseline for those cultures has always been violent, at the very least these terror attacks were generally suppressed.
    Revisionist history and insulting other cultures. Classy.
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