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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    It is quite normal for parts of libertarianism to appeal to some people while other parts turn them off, hence the lack of ability to gain national prominence.
    Yea which is why the party monopoly system really feels comfortable allowing then in the debates and the media really didn't give Ron Paul a media blackout did they

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    It is quite normal for parts of libertarianism to appeal to some people while other parts turn them off, hence the lack of ability to gain national prominence.
    Indeed, and the problem for both the ideology and the party is that its never going to get anywhere in the worlds superpower with such a naive foreign policy views. If thats not addressed, its not going anywhere.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    You mean reverting back to the founding fathers with a non interventionist policy isn't the way. Yea skrew George Washington he has no idea how to sustain a nation and oh that guy James Madison he was a true no body right?

    Now George w. Bush he's an American all-star he's batting 1000 on wiping his ass wIth the constitution and giving a big middle finger to the founding fathers who believed in liberalism and freedom.
    The founders had to deal with rebellions, muslim pirates, and native americans. You are substituting history for your political ideology.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Yea which is why the party monopoly system really feels comfortable allowing then in the debates and the media really didn't give Ron Paul a media blackout did they
    I agree there is a movement, and to ignore it would be ignorant. But plainly put, lifelong Dems are not going to sacrifice their fiscal views and lifelong Republicans are not going to give on social and foreign policy. The best I can hope for is the next generation of Americans being made aware that there is more to politics than two parties.
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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The founders had to deal with rebellions, muslim pirates, and native americans. You are substituting history for your political ideology.
    "The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities." George Washington

    Does this policy sound like a play by play of George Bush or Obama

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Indeed, and the problem for both the ideology and the party is that its never going to get anywhere in the worlds superpower with such a naive foreign policy views. If thats not addressed, its not going anywhere.
    I would disagree with you that the foreign policy is naive, but we have already been over this, so no need beating a dead horse. I highly doubt either of us will have a change of heart in regards to that.
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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I agree there is a movement, and to ignore it would be ignorant. But plainly put, lifelong Dems are not going to sacrifice their fiscal views and lifelong Republicans are not going to give on social and foreign policy. The best I can hope for is the next generation of Americans being made aware that there is more to politics than two parties.
    Well it's because both of then are pro war and the military industrial complex maintains power over our crooked poliTicians. But I agree with you but I do see a lot of old time conservatives really waking up to the libertarian message too it just takes grass roots efforts

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    "The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities." George Washington

    Does this policy sound like a play by play of George Bush or Obama
    We were a very different nation then, a small and young one. Which is all the more reason that libertarianism is completely unprepared to deal with the current state of the world. Perhaps one day there will be a world where every nation is libertarian, but thats getting as utopian as socialists.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Well it's because both of then are pro war and the military industrial complex maintains power over our crooked poliTicians. But I agree with you but I do see a lot of old time conservatives really waking up to the libertarian message too it just takes grass roots efforts
    Conservatives aren't pro war-they merely recognize that they must sometimes be fought.

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    Re: Has terrorism flourished under Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We were a very different nation then, a small and young one. Which is all the more reason that libertarianism is completely unprepared to deal with the current state of the world. Perhaps one day there will be a world where every nation is libertarian, but thats getting as utopian as socialists.
    Or it's just not longer acting like the constitution is a red headed step child on Christmas.

    If we maintained commercial trade with every nation and seriously did not commit clandestine operations for over 70 years around the world killing democratically elected officials for the sole purpose of creating a monopoly on the nation's cash crop and seriously just listened to them would we be in this mess?

    Why should we listen to only part of what the fathers said and theb completely ignore their warnings?

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