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Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

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US Conservative said:
Show me the numbers of conservative terrorism. :2wave:
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I just did. I guess reality doesn't square with your personal notions. Once again, radicalism regardless of whether its far left, far right, or religious fundamentalism is dangerous.
 
 
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DDD said:
Spare me from Weak-o-pedia please.
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I accept your concession.

That wiki simply listed conflicts and thier death tolls. your dismissal is a mere attempt to avoid having to admit you are wrong.


It didn't work.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Right wing terrorism killed 168 and injured more than 600 more in just once incident. Once again, radicalism regardless of whether its far left, far right, or religious fundamentalism is dangerous.
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Islam is growing and has a body count far higher, and is growing rapidly...If you can not see the threat, that is your defect.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
Islam is growing and has a body count far higher, and is growing rapidly...If you can not see the threat, that is your defect.
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Of course radical Islam is growing. I was merely pointing out that radical anything is dangerous.
 
US Conservative said:
Interesting so since you see Islam as incompatible with a free society, do you think steps should be taken to curtail it?
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And thus the goalposts are moved. You changed it from "Radical Islam" to "Islam" in the span of one post.
 
PoS said:
I think the question that ought to be asked is that how did some elements of Islam became radicalized in the first place. Things dont happen in a vacuum.
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No! We cant ask questions that may force us to face answers we don't want to acknowledge!
 
Kobie said:
No! We cant ask questions that may force us to face answers we don't want to acknowledge!
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Such as..?
What answers do "we" want to ignore?
You believe that radical Islam is the result of something that those "we" did?
Is that it?
 
Apocalypse said:
Such as..?
What answers do "we" want to ignore?
You believe that radical Islam is the result of something that those "we" did?
Is that it?
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In part, yes, at least the actions of Western governments.

When did radical Islam really take hold? When the Shah, who we propped up, was deposed by Khomeini and his ilk. When the U.S. and its allies funded and supported fundamentalist governments in the Middle East as a buffer against the Godless Reds of the Soviet Union.

I'm by no means saying it's All Our Fault, but to deny our responsibility for turmoil in the Middle East and other hotspots is to deny history.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
You did not answer my question, where you do find Islam, that you do not also find radical Islam?

Where?
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What, you want a zip code?

Where Islam is most prevalent is also where other conditions that often lead to radicalization are prominent -- abject poverty and government repression, to name a couple.
 
Kobie said:
In part, yes, at least the actions of Western governments.

When did radical Islam really take hold? When the Shah, who we propped up, was deposed by Khomeini and his ilk. When the U.S. and its allies funded and supported fundamentalist governments in the Middle East as a buffer against the Godless Reds of the Soviet Union.

I'm by no means saying it's All Our Fault, but to deny our responsibility for turmoil in the Middle East and other hotspots is to deny history.
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Radical Islam is the result of cultural and social developments, it could never be created by the West and its actions as it's a deep-rooted cultural aspect that Muslim societies have developed on their own, just as radical elements of Christianity during the crusades were developed by Christian societies.

During the Shah era Iran was a very moderate and almost secular nation. It was in close relations with the West not merely because of the body that governed it at the time but also because of the moderate elements that led Iranian society. You can argue against the US forcing its continued rule all the way up to the Islamic revolution, but it cannot be argued that it was the reason or part of the reason for the emerging of radical Islam in Iran. If it wouldn't be there the Islamic revolution would have just happened sooner.

To conclude no, radical Islam is by no means the result of Western involvement, it is rather simply the result of the path taken by Muslim societies.
 
Apocalypse said:
Radical Islam is the result of cultural and social developments, it could never be created by the West and its actions as it's a deep-rooted cultural aspect that Muslim societies have developed on their own, just as radical elements of Christianity during the crusades were developed by Christian societies.

During the Shah era Iran was a very moderate and almost secular nation. It was in close relations with the West not merely because of the body that governed it at the time but also because of the moderate elements that led Iranian society. You can argue against the US forcing its continued rule all the way up to the Islamic revolution, but it cannot be argued that it was the reason or part of the reason for the emerging of radical Islam in Iran. If it wouldn't be there the Islamic revolution would have just happened sooner.

To conclude no, radical Islam is by no means the result of Western involvement, it is rather simply the result of the path taken by Muslim societies.
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So radicalism is the logical, inevitable endpoint for all Muslim societies?
 
Kobie said:
So radicalism is the logical, inevitable endpoint for all Muslim societies?
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No, not all.

Turkey is an example of one Muslim society that rejected its radical elements, however I'm afraid that now under Erdogan and the AKP it is walking that same path once more.
 
US Conservative said:
2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.

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World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?
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Islam is submission. Opposite of freedom.
 
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