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Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

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DDD said:
Targets? Radical? Stalin?

Cheeses,

Just do away with religion for it promotes extremism based on wishful and magical thinking.
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Really, all that have religious beliefs are the enemy.
 
DDD said:
I asked for references about "natural law" which assumed that it is some kind of common sense belief that the whole world agreed upon. Instead an opinion was issued.

Even so, what is wrong with treating Ebola with the shear extermination evil as expressed from Himmler or Milosevic?
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It's more tautological than opinion.

Are you referring to exterminating Ebola patients?
 
It should be mentioned that many Muslim immigrants from Iran, Pakistan, Palestine, Yemen and elsewhere have been living in the USA for the last few decades and have not been a problem. Pakistanis have been in Canada and England in large numbers since the 1970s and have been victims of violence and harassment much more than they have been perpetrators. (although the most radical Muslims probably have not gone to England, Canada or the USA)
 
Grant said:
Certainly it will.

The fools they use as suicide bombers may believe in the 72 virgins waiting for them, or immortality as a martyr, but their handlers tend to be a great deal more sophisticated than that and they don't want a bomb crashing through their ceilings. You may need a couple of them, like Japan, but they'll soon get the drift.
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15 plus years of violence and targeted killings. Hasn't caused deterrence yet.
 
US Conservative said:
2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.

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World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?
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Yet another poll - again - skewed to right or left and no option for those who are Independent or Centrists.
 
US Conservative said:
We can and have defeated ideologies-that screwed up shinto warrior code of the Japanese, and Nazism.
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Again, those were sponsored by a single state. The citizens bought into them and it became country wide policy.
 
All religious extremists and radical religions are incapable with free societies.
 
iacardsfan said:
15 plus years of violence and targeted killings. Hasn't caused deterrence yet.
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Violence? In fact, apart from the initial 'shock and awe' in Iraq, the military was very subdued in their response to the terrorists. Instead they spent too much time trying to win over 'hearts and minds', which enjoyed some success in Iraq but then Obama had them retreat.

Had that 'shock and awe' been used once or twice more we wouldn't see ISIS in Iraq now because they know what would be coming. Of course they have nothing to fear from a Community Organizer who they know would run rather than maintain control.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yet another poll - again - skewed to right or left and no option for those who are Independent or Centrists.
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The OP sees the world in black-and-white and refuses to acknowledge that his judgment could possibly be impaired by anything or anyone.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yet another poll - again - skewed to right or left and no option for those who are Independent or Centrists.
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How could an independent or centrist possibly believe that radical Islam is compatible with a free society?
 
Grant said:
Violence? In fact, apart from the initial 'shock and awe' in Iraq, the military was very subdued in their response to the terrorists. Instead they spent too much time trying to win over 'hearts and minds', which enjoyed some success in Iraq but then Obama had them retreat.

Had that 'shock and awe' been used once or twice more we wouldn't see ISIS in Iraq now because they know what would be coming. Of course they have nothing to fear from a Community Organizer who they know would run rather than maintain control.
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The foundation for ISIS was laid long before Obama took office.
 
US Conservative said:
This is the current PC dogma, but it misses the long history of violence (peace only comes through subjugation and control), and often in 3rd world nations that have nothing at all to do with the cold war.
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Historically speaking, peace for any nation only comes through subjugation and control, Muslims empires were, in general, no worse than any other empire of the same time.

I didn't say every outbreak of Islamist radicalism is directly linked to the Cold War, rather, the origin of the modern cycle of radicalism has its origins in the Cold War.
 
US Conservative said:
2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.

islammap2.jpg


World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?
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Of course, it depends on how radical and in which way they are radical. But Christian script is equally stringent and though radical Christianity rubs against our present society's beliefs and behaviour I would not say they were incompatible in any real sense.
 
Gaius46 said:
People can advocate for whatever they want. That's the core principal behind the idea of freedom of speech which I fully support. As long as they don't commit acts of violence they can say or think or work towards, within the context of the law, whatever they want.

So to answer your question radical Islam or any other ideology to the extent that they don't commit acts of violence and work within the legal system are compatible with a free society. I'd go further and suggest that a society that doesn't allow the existence of radical ideologies is not free.
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Just by the fact that you have to exclude violence, you have made my point. Take a look at dearborn.


 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Most domestic terrorism these days is due to radical right wing groups so don't forget them. Radical left wing groups tend to damage property (think ecoterrorists). Radical right wing groups tend to target people (Timothy McVeigh and Neo-Nazis). Radical anything is dangerous.
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I see no evidence of your claim that most domestic terrorists are right wing-unless you are claiming islamic groups are right wing. Is that your claim?

Link?
 
Phys251 said:
The OP sees the world in black-and-white and refuses to acknowledge that his judgment could possibly be impaired by anything or anyone.
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I make these polls for my own purposes. And in any case, there are very few independents or centrists who have no lean. :2wave:
 
joG said:
Of course, it depends on how radical and in which way they are radical. But Christian script is equally stringent and though radical Christianity rubs against our present society's beliefs and behaviour I would not say they were incompatible in any real sense.
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We aren't discussing script but rather the actions of the followers of these religions.
 
US Conservative said:
I see no evidence of your claim that most domestic terrorists are right wing-unless you are claiming islamic groups are right wing. Is that your claim?

Link?
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Most Islamic terrorism is foreign in origin. By domestic terrorism, I mean American citizens committing terrorist acts. The most active domestic terrorist groups are almost all right wing extremists.

Terror From the Right: Plots, Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City | Southern Poverty Law Center
Home-Grown, Right-Wing Terrorism: The Hate the GOP Refuses to See - The Daily Beast
U.S. right wing extremists more deadly than jihadists - CNN.com
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Most Islamic terrorism is foreign in origin. By domestic terrorism, I mean American citizens committing terrorist acts. The most active domestic terrorist groups are almost all right wing extremists.

Terror From the Right: Plots, Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City | Southern Poverty Law Center
Home-Grown, Right-Wing Terrorism: The Hate the GOP Refuses to See - The Daily Beast
U.S. right wing extremists more deadly than jihadists - CNN.com
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Show me the numbers of conservative terrorism. :2wave:
 
US Conservative said:
2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.

islammap2.jpg


World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?
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In a single word? No...
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Most Islamic terrorism is foreign in origin. By domestic terrorism, I mean American citizens committing terrorist acts. The most active domestic terrorist groups are almost all right wing extremists.

Terror From the Right: Plots, Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City | Southern Poverty Law Center
Home-Grown, Right-Wing Terrorism: The Hate the GOP Refuses to See - The Daily Beast
U.S. right wing extremists more deadly than jihadists - CNN.com
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Men Reportedly Had Plans To Bomb St. Louis Arch And Kill Ferguson's Police Chief

Black Panther Members Can't Buy Bombs Because EBT Card Didn't Have Enough Money | The Daily Caller

Sting nets 5 FBI says plotted to bomb bridge near Cleveland

Revealed: The FBI Stopped the Cleveland Bomb Plot By Infiltrating Occupy Wall Street | Video | TheBlaze.com

(Alleged) Occupy Wall Street activist arrested in ANOTHER (alleged) bomb plot. | RedState

When as "right wing terrorism" ever killed 3,000 plus people? Never...
 
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