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Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

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Medusa said:
turkey is trying :confused:

you dont know anyhting about turkey and cyprus ...

turkey doesnt need to be secular
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (pronounced [mustäˈfä ceˈmäl äˈtäˌtyɾc]; 19 May 1881 (conventional) – 10 November 1938) was a Turkish army officer, reformist statesman, and the first President of Turkey. He is credited with being the founder of the Republic of Turkey. His surname, Atatürk (meaning "Father of the Turks"), was granted to him in 1934 and forbidden to any other person by the Turkish parliament.[1]

Atatürk was a military officer during World War I.[2] Following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, he led the Turkish National Movement in the Turkish War of Independence. Having established a provisional government in Ankara, he defeated the forces sent by the Allies. His military campaigns led to victory in the Turkish War of Independence. Atatürk then embarked upon a program of political, economic, and cultural reforms, seeking to transform the former Ottoman Empire into a modern and secular nation-state. Under his leadership, thousands of new schools were built, primary education was made free and compulsory, and women were given equal civil and political rights, while the burden of taxation on peasants was reduced.[3] His government also carried out an extensive policy of Turkification.[4][5][6][7] The principles of Atatürk's reforms, upon which modern Turkey was established, are referred to as Kemalism.
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Under Urgodan Turkey is becoming more and more radicalized. Theres a reason your nation is worried that ISIS violence will spill into your nation. Frankly your anti-westernism will make that more likely. Remember that woman suicide bomber this week?
 
Paleocon said:
No.

Natural law doesn't work that way. One can't do evil to seek good.
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Can you elaborate about "natural law" and how it stops "evil from seeking good," and do so with references please?
 
Paleocon said:
Correct. Muslim conservatives are generally the real thing. Most American conservatives are just liberals who aren't quite as liberal as some of the other liberals.
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Muslim "conservative" chop off hands, and blame women for being raped. Is this who you wish to emulate?
 
US Conservative said:
People who support violence for political means, those who advocate for strict islamic state including law, govt, etc.
And to restate the obvious-they need not all be terrorists-though the most extreme certainly are.
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People can advocate for whatever they want. That's the core principal behind the idea of freedom of speech which I fully support. As long as they don't commit acts of violence they can say or think or work towards, within the context of the law, whatever they want.

So to answer your question radical Islam or any other ideology to the extent that they don't commit acts of violence and work within the legal system are compatible with a free society. I'd go further and suggest that a society that doesn't allow the existence of radical ideologies is not free.
 
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US Conservative said:
Outside of the radical leftists on the FBI most wanted lists, and of course muslims-I dont see other radicals doing such things, and certainly not with this frequency or death toll.
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Most domestic terrorism these days is due to radical right wing groups so don't forget them. Radical left wing groups tend to damage property (think ecoterrorists). Radical right wing groups tend to target people (Timothy McVeigh and Neo-Nazis). Radical anything is dangerous.
 
I am American and no, Islam is not comparable with a free society. The population of muslims in the United States is less than 1%. In France it is 10%. As there population increases in the US we to will have no go zones and sharia law/courts. The question is do we have what it takes to stop this madness? Where is our Winston Churchill? Neville Chamberlain lives in the white house, the president of France, Belgium, the UK, and the chancellor of Germany. We all know what must be done because so called moderate peaceful muslims will not. We have to fight fight them without our hands behind our backs just as we fought the Nazi and Japanese empire. That is the answer.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Most domestic terrorism these days is due to radical right wing groups so don't forget them. Radical left wing groups tend to damage property (think ecoterrorists). Radical right wing groups tend to target people (Timothy McVeigh and Neo-Nazis). Radical anything is dangerous.
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What you are saying is foolish.
 
SgtRock said:
What you are saying is foolish.
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You don't think that radicalism in general can be dangerous? Radical right wingers and you get Timothy McVeigh or violent White Supremacist groups. Radical left wingers and you get ecoterrorists or communist guerrillas. Radical fundamentalists and you get Islamic Terrorists or Christian Terrorist groups like the LRA.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
WTF are you talking about. lol "muslim conservatives" aren't even in the same ballpark as american conservatives....
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If I read the thread correctly, some pages back, it seems that the hatred towards liberals they share is a common link. But I agree, they are not apples for apples by comparison.

I have often found parallels between the two, somewhat on a lesser level, of course. I jokingly often refer to some of our more esteemed "very conservative," leaning colleagues here as the "American Taliban." We all know why. Well, all of us except them. LOL!
I don't consider those people compatible to a free and liberal society either but what ya gonna do? We're stuck with them.
 
DDD said:
Can you elaborate about "natural law" and how it stops "evil from seeking good," and do so with references please?
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If something is evil, then it is not good.

ReverendHellh0und said:
Muslim "conservative" chop off hands, and blame women for being raped. Is this who you wish to emulate?
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Western liberals murder their young. In any case, I don't emulate Muslims, I support them in their struggles against liberalism.
 
Cephus said:
That's because the war on nukes isn't centralized, there isn't anywhere specific where you can nuke to pressure the terrorists to quit. Further, most of the terrorists are religious fanatics, they don't care if they die, in fact,
they think that if they die for the cause, they get rewarded in the afterlife.
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 They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be argued with, they can only be killed because the only thing they want out of this war is to kill infidels.
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If we send enough of them to their reward eventually this terrorism BS will come to a screeching halt.

It might take a little time to get the job done but we've got lots of that and plenty of bullets.

I believe that we'll have a lot of support from the French from now on.
 
Paleocon said:
If something is evil, then it is not good.
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I asked for references about "natural law" which assumed that it is some kind of common sense belief that the whole world agreed upon. Instead an opinion was issued.

Even so, what is wrong with treating Ebola with the shear extermination evil as expressed from Himmler or Milosevic?
 
Paleocon said:
Western liberals murder their young. In any case, I don't emulate Muslims, I support them in their struggles against liberalism.
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I will ask you again.

Muslim "conservative" chop off hands, and blame women for being raped. Is this who you wish to emulate?
 
shrubnose said:
If we send enough of them to their reward eventually this terrorism BS will come to a screeching halt.

It might take a little time to get the job done but we've got lots of that and plenty of bullets.

I believe that we'll have a lot of support from the French from now on.
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If we send *ALL* of them to their "reward", this nonsense will stop. These aren't people who are going to learn that they'd better stop or they'll die. Death has no meaning to them. They don't fear it. This has to be a commitment to eradicate 100% of the violent radical Muslims from the face of the planet and no country, certainly not the U.S., has the balls to do it. It would be a public relations nightmare.
 
Also, we would be better off when all religions are eliminated. As long as they are there they will always be waiting for an opportunity to defeat reason and climb to power.
 
Cephus said:
If we send *ALL* of them to their "reward", this nonsense will stop. These aren't people who are going to learn that they'd better stop or they'll die. Death has no meaning to them. They don't fear it. This has to be a commitment to eradicate 100% of the violent radical Muslims from the face of the planet and no country, certainly not the U.S., has the balls to do it. It would be a public relations nightmare.
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The former Albanian and Turkish presidents did had the balls to do it. The former cleansed the country from Islamic radicals and forced a non religious government for 50 years. The later was better and only forced a secular government.
 
DDD said:
The former Albanian and Turkish presidents did had the balls to do it. The former cleansed the country from Islamic radicals and forced a non religious government for 50 years. The later was better and only forced a secular government.
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I'm talking worldwide though. You can't clean them out in pockets, you have to take them all out.
 
DDD said:
Also, we would be better off when all religions are eliminated. As long as they are there they will always be waiting for an opportunity to defeat reason and climb to power.
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Do you think an absense of religion wouldn't lead man to find reasons to "climb to power" at the expense of his fellow man?
 
Cephus said:
I'm talking worldwide though. You can't clean them out in pockets, you have to take them all out.
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Should all the "pockets" agree for a joint campaign to eliminate all religion worldwide, then that too may be possible one day.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Do you think an absense of religion wouldn't lead man to find reasons to "climb to power" at the expense of his fellow man?
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No,

But at least the method should be more reasonable compared to appealing to magic and wishful thinking of the religious.
 
DDD said:
No,

But at least the method should be more reasonable compared to appealing to magic and wishful thinking of the religious.
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Indeed, stalin was far more reasonable than say the knights templar.

Man does not need a god to show his blind indifference to his fellow man and has killed just as many without a god, as with, if not more.
 
DDD said:
Should all the "pockets" agree for a joint campaign to eliminate all religion worldwide, then that too may be possible one day.
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And what would be your next targets?
Something as radical as you propose must always have an enemy of the State.
Once 1 enemy is dispensed with, another is needed.
Stalin provides many excellent examples of this mentality/philosophy.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Indeed, stalin was far more reasonable than say the knights templar.
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But not reasonable enough. He did not used research nor was transparent, he was a dictator.

ReverendHellh0und said:
Man does not need a god to show his blind indifference to his fellow man and has killed just as many without a god, as with, if not more.
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People died because of religion for two millenniums by now. How many have the "Godless" killed by comparison?
 
JANFU said:
And what would be your next targets?
Something as radical as you propose must always have an enemy of the State.
Once 1 enemy is dispensed with, another is needed.
Stalin provides many excellent examples of this mentality/philosophy.
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Targets? Radical? Stalin?

Cheeses,

Just do away with religion for it promotes extremism based on wishful and magical thinking.
 
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