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Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?


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Your argument would be wrong, but it could be argued nonetheless. The radical Islamist movements of today are a fairly recent development, formed as a reaction to being fought over by the atheist USSR and Christian US during the Cold War.

Wahhabi goes back much longer, and Islam has a long history of slaughter, forcible conversion, or living under severe oppression-in fact thats exactly what ISIS and Boko are doing right now-we are seeing back in time to how the world used to be-except it still is under Islam in many places.
 
More equivocation (who saw that coming?).

Here is a direct question I have for you -who's the bigger threat to free society-the US or radical islam? Answer directly please.

I will defer to the results of this poll for my answer.
 
By giving them no attention whatsoever. ISIS, will be disappearing soon.

I think the media does spend too much time covering the actions and lives of mass killers, etc-but ignoring it wont make it go away-people wont/cant-and the entire purpose of terrorism is to make people take notice.

ISIS, while at war with the US (and the US at war with them although without a name for the conflict at the moment) exists for its own ends and would likely just grow more with westerners plugging their ears and closing their eyes.

Its a problem thats not going away.
 
This is useless equivocation and frankly where I see libertarianism as being the most out of touch. I get it-you dont like religion-but religion is the state of most of the world and always has been. You are going to have to deal with that, and the tendencies of those groups.

Saying sorry and withdrawing will not address this issue.

Bombing the crap out of them will not solve any issues either.
 
Thats a poll from a lefty website, that compared nations-Im asking you if the US or radical islam is the bigger threat. Care to answer, or is it time to dance?

 
All you had to do was answer a simple question. How many years of tap and jazz have you taken?

Actually, I already did. And now I'm getting a certain song from Chicago stuck in my head:

 
Wahhabi goes back much longer, and Islam has a long history of slaughter, forcible conversion, or living under severe oppression-in fact thats exactly what ISIS and Boko are doing right now-we are seeing back in time to how the world used to be-except it still is under Islam in many places.

Islam also has a long history of tolerance and peaceful coexistence and stuff. Reactionary elements seize power in certain times and places, and liberal elements do in others. The current round of reactionaries is in response to the Cold War, and while it draws inspiration from previous ones, it's its own unique set of arseholes.
 
2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.

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World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?



No more than radical far-right evangelical Christianity is compatible with a free society. :roll:
 
Funny it worked on Japan. See what I mean?

You know the difference. Japan is a country. Radical Islam is not confined to a single country. We cannot declare war on an ideology. Bombing in a declared war works because it can break the backbone of a nation. Atomic bombs broke the Japanese backbone. In a war on radical ideology, there is only a fraction of people that see themselves as enemies of the US, but every time we kill an innocent civilian that number climbs. By killing people we do not break the backbone of the radical Islamists, we only strengthen it.
 
You know the difference. Japan is a country. Radical Islam is not confined to a single country. We cannot declare war on an ideology. Bombing in a declared war works because it can break the backbone of a nation. Atomic bombs broke the Japanese backbone. In a war on radical ideology, there is only a fraction of people that see themselves as enemies of the US, but every time we kill an innocent civilian that number climbs.
By killing people we do not break the backbone of the radical Islamists, we only strengthen it.



Every person that died, was wounded, etc. in G.W. Bush's un-necessary war in Iraq has relatives, friends and fellow tribesmen who are looking for some pay-back.

"What goes around, comes around."

What we're seeing on this planet right now is karma.
 
That was almost 70-years ago and we ended up using nukes. I don't believe that we're going to win the war on terror with nukes.

That's because the war on nukes isn't centralized, there isn't anywhere specific where you can nuke to pressure the terrorists to quit. Further, most of the terrorists are religious fanatics, they don't care if they die, in fact, they think that if they die for the cause, they get rewarded in the afterlife. They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be argued with, they can only be killed because the only thing they want out of this war is to kill infidels.
 
Bombing the crap out of them will not solve any issues either.
Certainly it will.

The fools they use as suicide bombers may believe in the 72 virgins waiting for them, or immortality as a martyr, but their handlers tend to be a great deal more sophisticated than that and they don't want a bomb crashing through their ceilings. You may need a couple of them, like Japan, but they'll soon get the drift.
 
Every person that died, was wounded, etc. in G.W. Bush's un-necessary war in Iraq has relatives, friends and fellow tribesmen who are looking for some pay-back.

"What goes around, comes around."

What we're seeing on this planet right now is karma.
That's nonsense. Islamic terrorism was around long before George Bush became President and it will continue after BHO, until they learn the error of their ways.
 
Islam also has a long history of tolerance and peaceful coexistence and stuff. Reactionary elements seize power in certain times and places, and liberal elements do in others. The current round of reactionaries is in response to the Cold War, and while it draws inspiration from previous ones, it's its own unique set of arseholes.

This is the current PC dogma, but it misses the long history of violence (peace only comes through subjugation and control), and often in 3rd world nations that have nothing at all to do with the cold war.
 
That was almost 70-years ago and we ended up using nukes. I don't believe that we're going to win the war on terror with nukes.

Whats 70 years to a religion that is living in the 7th century? And my specific comment (focus, here) was in response to the comment that bombing our enemies works.
 
I know Turkey is trying to be as secular as possible, but radical islam is a factor there as well, especially recently. Its still tense on the island as I understand it. And my family is greek, so I know the story.

turkey is trying :confused:

you dont know anyhting about turkey and cyprus ...

turkey doesnt need to be secular
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (pronounced [mustäˈfä ceˈmäl äˈtäˌtyɾc]; 19 May 1881 (conventional) – 10 November 1938) was a Turkish army officer, reformist statesman, and the first President of Turkey. He is credited with being the founder of the Republic of Turkey. His surname, Atatürk (meaning "Father of the Turks"), was granted to him in 1934 and forbidden to any other person by the Turkish parliament.[1]

Atatürk was a military officer during World War I.[2] Following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, he led the Turkish National Movement in the Turkish War of Independence. Having established a provisional government in Ankara, he defeated the forces sent by the Allies. His military campaigns led to victory in the Turkish War of Independence. Atatürk then embarked upon a program of political, economic, and cultural reforms, seeking to transform the former Ottoman Empire into a modern and secular nation-state. Under his leadership, thousands of new schools were built, primary education was made free and compulsory, and women were given equal civil and political rights, while the burden of taxation on peasants was reduced.[3] His government also carried out an extensive policy of Turkification.[4][5][6][7] The principles of Atatürk's reforms, upon which modern Turkey was established, are referred to as Kemalism.
 
You know the difference. Japan is a country. Radical Islam is not confined to a single country. We cannot declare war on an ideology. Bombing in a declared war works because it can break the backbone of a nation. Atomic bombs broke the Japanese backbone. In a war on radical ideology, there is only a fraction of people that see themselves as enemies of the US, but every time we kill an innocent civilian that number climbs. By killing people we do not break the backbone of the radical Islamists, we only strengthen it.

We can and have defeated ideologies-that screwed up shinto warrior code of the Japanese, and Nazism.
 
Certainly it will.

The fools they use as suicide bombers may believe in the 72 virgins waiting for them, or immortality as a martyr, but their handlers tend to be a great deal more sophisticated than that and they don't want a bomb crashing through their ceilings. You may need a couple of them, like Japan, but they'll soon get the drift.

Its almost like a mark 82 bomb through the roof is a universal language. :cool:

They live by the sword-they get it.
 
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