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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    The troops would be there illegally if Malaki wanted them out. And he did, because his allegiance was and is to Iran.
    Again, Malaki doesn't matter. Do you really think Maliki can tell the US Military and its Commander in Chief that they have to leave??
    What America should have done is installed another dictator. Then they wouldn't have to acknowledge SOFA.
    That was an option but SOFA could have been easily negotiated, just as they are all over the world, in over 80 countries.
    America can be part of the solution, but the solution itself must come from the Middle East. America cannot choose sides in an Islamic war and cannot plug the leaking holes in failed states. Not successfully, anyway.
    It depends on the State but most are religious and dictatorial screw-ups and don't have much to teach anyone. What they are good at is protecting their turf and not allowing anyone to effect their culture, religion or power structures.. Their hatreds, suspicions and infighting will eventually do them in.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    That works and since doing that legally in the United States is seemingly impossible it really devolves to use of violence.
    I have to disagree. To me your definition seems to be de jure, rather than de facto.
    The Nazi's provide a good lithmus test for radicalism, so we should ask ourselves if only those Nazi's who committed crimes against humanity were radicals, or if those who thought non-aryans should be butchered, but didn't actually participate in the atrocities, should also be considered radicals. Being a radical isn't a crime in and of itself, but I certainly do consider those individuals radicals.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by HK.227 View Post
    I have to disagree. To me your definition seems to be de jure, rather than de facto.
    The Nazi's provide a good lithmus test for radicalism, so we should ask ourselves if only those Nazi's who committed crimes against humanity were radicals, or if those who thought non-aryans should be butchered, but didn't actually participate in the atrocities, should also be considered radicals. Being a radical isn't a crime in and of itself, but I certainly do consider those individuals radicals.
    You also have to remember that there were a lot of people who went along with it out of fear and didn't really buy into the whole Nazi nonsense. I suspect there's plenty of that in the "radical Islam" crowd as well.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You also have to remember that there were a lot of people who went along with it out of fear and didn't really buy into the whole Nazi nonsense. I suspect there's plenty of that in the "radical Islam" crowd as well.
    Sure. And some who truly believed were not evil, but merely misguided, having been raised and brainwashed from infancy under a totalitarian regime.
    All in all it's probably a very good thing that civilized societies only prosecute people for the crimes they actually commit. Not that radicals aren't a problem, but one should use different tools for different tasks.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by HK.227 View Post
    I have to disagree. To me your definition seems to be de jure, rather than de facto.
    The Nazi's provide a good lithmus test for radicalism, so we should ask ourselves if only those Nazi's who committed crimes against humanity were radicals, or if those who thought non-aryans should be butchered, but didn't actually participate in the atrocities, should also be considered radicals. Being a radical isn't a crime in and of itself, but I certainly do consider those individuals radicals.
    You're right. Without an operable definition of what "radical Islam" is you can't speak about what to do about it, which is where the OP pretty clearly really wants to go, so I've been drawing trying to draw the distinction legally. I completely agree with your assessment.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    You're right. Without an operable definition of what "radical Islam" is you can't speak about what to do about it, which is where the OP pretty clearly really wants to go, so I've been drawing trying to draw the distinction legally. I completely agree with your assessment.
    I'd define it as anyone willing to resort to terrorist violence or subjugation.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I'd define it as anyone willing to resort to terrorist violence or subjugation.
    Fair enough. Would you then agree that Muslims, even the ultra orthodox, who don't practice violence aren't anything that we need concern ourselves with? You've seemed to suggest otherwise - and if I've misunderstood your position I apologize in advance.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Fair enough. Would you then agree that Muslims, even the ultra orthodox, who don't practice violence aren't anything that we need concern ourselves with? You've seemed to suggest otherwise - and if I've misunderstood your position I apologize in advance.
    I dont agree because many "orthodox" are fundamentalist. Its the "orthodox" who are splashing chemicals in peoples faces. We dont need to speculate on the numbers, see the pew polls.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont agree because many "orthodox" are fundamentalist. Its the "orthodox" who are splashing chemicals in peoples faces. We dont need to speculate on the numbers, see the pew polls.
    Splashing chemicals in people's faces is against the law. Let's differentiate between people who are and aren't breaking the law.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Splashing chemicals in people's faces is against the law. Let's differentiate between people who are and aren't breaking the law.
    Shooting down people who draw cartoons, jewish store employees, muslim cops, and 3000 innocent Americans (RIP) is also illegal. Tell me more about the law, I'd love to hear it.

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