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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    So its Obama's fault for not keeping troops there illegally and in perpetuity.
    They were not there illegally and the troops could remain indefinitely, just as elsewhere in the world. Certainly withdrawing the troops against all military advice was Obama's fault. Who else?
    He was the leader of Iraq. I guess that's unimportant from a neoconservative prospective.
    He was unimportant from a security perspective. The welfare of the Iraqi people and the containment of terrorism should have been the priority.
    Killing terrorists is a big problem for me when it also causes the deaths of vast number of innocents.
    Killing terrorists may be a personal problem for you but having them free to move around can be very harmful to those who only want to live their lives in peace, and that includes the majority of Muslims.
    Violence begets violence.
    Well certainly, which is why those countries harboring terrorists should consider their positions. Hitler and Mussolini, as just two examples, committed acts of violence and paid for it, as should those who support terrorism. And they will pay as soon as the US and other democracies elect strong leaders. ISIS and the like should enjoy their position while they can.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The problem arises when they try to export their ideas to, say, France.
    Not export, but force upon.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not export, but force upon.
    Yes, imposing third world beliefs on first world democracies, no matter how 'tolerant' or willfully blind these democracies might be, will not do well over the long term.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    It sounds like, from the little reading I did, that the actions are illegal. It's a law enforcement issue. If local LE isn't dealing with it it becomes a Federal issue. What's your point? None of this is legal. It's not like Sharia law applies in Dearborne.
    The point is that its happening in American cities as well as european. And its being imposed unilaterally.

    As for being a law enforcement issue-this is about much more.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The point is that its happening in American cities as well as european. And its being imposed unilaterally.

    As for being a law enforcement issue-this is about much more.
    Why? Why isn't thus simply a LE issue? What is it if it isn't?
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Why? Why isn't thus simply a LE issue? What is it if it isn't?
    If it is war, as this seems to be, it is a military issue.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They were not there illegally and the troops could remain indefinitely...
    The troops would be there illegally if Malaki wanted them out. And he did, because his allegiance was and is to Iran.

    He was unimportant from a security perspective. The welfare of the Iraqi people and the containment of terrorism should have been the priority.
    What America should have done is installed another dictator. Then they wouldn't have to acknowledge SOFA.

    Killing terrorists may be a personal problem for you but having them free to move around can be very harmful to those who only want to live their lives in peace, and that includes the majority of Muslims.
    America can be part of the solution, but the solution itself must come from the Middle East. America cannot choose sides in an Islamic war and cannot plug the leaking holes in failed states. Not successfully, anyway.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    I haven't read this entire thread so I may have missed this. The problem with this question is that there is no definition of what is "radical Islam." Where does regular old plain Jane Islam end and "radical Islam" begin?

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Why? Why isn't thus simply a LE issue? What is it if it isn't?
    In France its become a national security issue.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Assuming that such a thing as radical religion exists, is any radical religion compatible with a free society? Are the religious right's attempts to ban gay marriage compatible with a free society? On the other hand are liberal attempts to force gay marriage on society compatible with a free society?

    Very complicated questions.

    Over and above that, exactly what is a free society? Does such a thing exist in reality? How can society be called free when there are so many constraints imposed on it's members?

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