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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    that's not such a bad definition. The kind you find more at home and less on the streets. Would the male head of the household feel his wife has to wear a head covering, be allowed to drive, go outdoors without an escort? And how easy is it to be a 'moderate' in a Muslim dominated country?
    Even within moderation there's going to be a range from conservative to liberal, and it's going to vary greatly from country to country. Regarding head coverings and such, some Muslim women wear them out of choice -- even liberal ones. Just as some Indians wear head coverings.

    Malala Yousif is very progressive in her views (such that she was/is targeted by the Taliban), and she still chooses to cover her head.


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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Great post for those who wish to dismiss the power extremists have over moderates.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    To answer the original question, NO. Absolutely not. These are thoroughly evil supremacists, and there is no living in the world with them. They are part of a cult of blood, cruelty and death. We should send them all to hell, as soon as possible, and we should not hesitate to use very powerful weapons to do it. That will unavoidably mean the deaths of many innocent people, but that is a part of modern war. War criminals cannot be allowed to survive by sheltering among other people, and whoever refuses to turn them out, in whatever country, should expect to share their fate.

    The notion that we can't fight a billion and a half people is mindless slop. Of course that's the last think any sane person wants, and it is not necessary. I am sure most of the world's Muslims are amenable to sharing the world with other people. But before that can happen, I think many of them will need to be taught a very hard lesson they will never forget. They need to see just what happens to the savages among them who choose to wage war on the United States.

    Let a couple hundred thousand jihadists be killed, let it be done without much apparent effort, so that they and their dreams of glory are exposed as weak and foolish--and all the rest, all over the world, who might secretly have been applauding them in their war against our way of life will quickly start being very careful to condemn them. No better way to make a movement an object of scorn, in a culture of shame like theirs, than to absolutely crush its followers without seeming even to try very hard.

    Them, or us. It's that simple, in the end. People here should stop wringing their hands and trying to deny the obvious, and resolve to go after these vermin, hammer and tongs, with whatever it takes.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    To answer the original question, NO. Absolutely not. These are thoroughly evil supremacists, and there is no living in the world with them. They are part of a cult of blood, cruelty and death. We should send them all to hell, as soon as possible, and we should not hesitate to use very powerful weapons to do it. That will unavoidably mean the deaths of many innocent people, but that is a part of modern war. War criminals cannot be allowed to survive by sheltering among other people, and whoever refuses to turn them out, in whatever country, should expect to share their fate.

    The notion that we can't fight a billion and a half people is mindless slop. Of course that's the last think any sane person wants, and it is not necessary. I am sure most of the world's Muslims are amenable to sharing the world with other people. But before that can happen, I think many of them will need to be taught a very hard lesson they will never forget. They need to see just what happens to the savages among them who choose to wage war on the United States.

    Let a couple hundred thousand jihadists be killed, let it be done without much apparent effort, so that they and their dreams of glory are exposed as weak and foolish--and all the rest, all over the world, who might secretly have been applauding them in their war against our way of life will quickly start being very careful to condemn them. No better way to make a movement an object of scorn, in a culture of shame like theirs, than to absolutely crush its followers without seeming even to try very hard.

    Them, or us. It's that simple, in the end. People here should stop wringing their hands and trying to deny the obvious, and resolve to go after these vermin, hammer and tongs, with whatever it takes.
    Good lord. The real danger is that someone like you gain a position of power in the world.

    Playing wack-a-mole with Muslim extremists is playing right into their hands. For every one you kill, ten will emerge. Especially if you bomb 'many innocent people', which you admit is unavoidable.

    You're a neocon's wet dream on steroids.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Good lord. The real danger is that someone like you gain a position of power in the world.

    Playing wack-a-mole with Muslim extremists is playing right into their hands. For every one you kill, ten will emerge. Especially if you bomb 'many innocent people', which you admit is unavoidable.

    You're a neocon's wet dream on steroids.

    What the hell is a neocon? And whose wet dream do you imagine you are? I've seen that kind of personally insulting drivel directed at other posters enough times to know the likes of you use it as a mindless substitute for the reasoned arguments you don't have game enough to make. If those other ten bastards you claim will come out for each one that's killed actually do, I'm sure the U.S. has more than enough bombs to kill them too.

    By your lights, bombing the Germans and Japanese in WWII was playing right into their hands. For every one we killed, ten more emerged. We should just have talked nicely to them and tried to understand their point of view, because it's always wrong to make any other human feel invalidated and yucky. And violence never solves anything. And an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. And arms are for hugging . . .

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    What the hell is a neocon?
    A neocon (in this context) is someone who thinks that the military should be used aggressively, rather than defensively -- to promote change in other regions in order to secure America's interests. Neocons were responsible for the Iraq invasion, which amplified terrorism and extremism in the region to an unprecedented degree.

    I've seen that kind of personally insulting drivel directed at other posters enough times to know the likes of you use it as a mindless substitute for the reasoned arguments you don't have game enough to make. If those other ten bastards you claim will come out for each one that's killed actually do, I'm sure the U.S. has more than enough bombs to kill them too.
    Your argument boils down to, 'Kill 'em all'. Do you think that is a reasoned position?

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    What the hell is a neocon? And whose wet dream do you imagine you are? I've seen that kind of personally insulting drivel directed at other posters enough times to know the likes of you use it as a mindless substitute for the reasoned arguments you don't have game enough to make. If those other ten bastards you claim will come out for each one that's killed actually do, I'm sure the U.S. has more than enough bombs to kill them too.

    By your lights, bombing the Germans and Japanese in WWII was playing right into their hands. For every one we killed, ten more emerged. We should just have talked nicely to them and tried to understand their point of view, because it's always wrong to make any other human feel invalidated and yucky. And violence never solves anything. And an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. And arms are for hugging . . .
    Agreed. And those terrorists have a target for propaganda in the US-and its not American conservatives.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Neocons were responsible for the Iraq invasion, which amplified terrorism and extremism in the region to an unprecedented degree.
    Extremism in Iraq was always Muslims murdering other Muslims. The Americans and other democracies actually introduced democracy to the country for the first time in its history. ISIS arose only after the American and Coalition forces withdrew, with BHO calling the country 'stable' at that time.
    Your argument boils down to, 'Kill 'em all'. Do you think that is a reasoned position?
    He did not say "kill 'em all". That is false. The only number mentioned was "a couple of hundred thousand", which is a very modest guess at the number of terrorists and their sympathizers..

    Are you making the argument that Islamic terrorists should be allowed to run free?

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?
    Since radical Islam considers itself at war with the rest of the world, including non-radicalized muslims, I think the question pretty much answers itself.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Extremism in Iraq was always Muslims murdering other Muslims. The Americans and other democracies actually introduced democracy to the country for the first time in its history. ISIS arose only after the American and Coalition forces withdrew, with BHO calling the country 'stable' at that time.
    Oh, no. History doesn't begin in 2011. ISIS arose after America decided to topple a dictatorship that they facilitated in the first place (you know, by arming Saddam in order to create havoc for Iran). The people who orchestrated the invasion knew it would be a quagmire, and that after Saddam was defeated that Iraq would splinter into pieces without almost indefinite American presence. Obama pulled out, sure, but Malaki was under the Iranians' thumb from the very beginning (way before Obama). They explicitly stated that there was to be NO American presence. Where do you think Malaki was living for the past few decades?

    He did not say "kill 'em all". That is false.
    He said kill all the terrorists, and if more arise from bombing inevitably bombing many innocents, kill them too. Sounds like something approaching genocide to me.

    Are you making the argument that Islamic terrorists should be allowed to run free?
    I'm saying that bombing terrorists indefinitely is stupid, since it perpetuates the problem it seeks to solve. America doesn't have enough bombs to solve the problems of the Middle East.

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