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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Got a source for that 8% figure?
    I can't remember exactly where on the pew site I got that 8% figure but here are some other fun facts from Pew: Focus on the converse, for example if 3/4 reject suicide bombing that would indicate the converse figure that 25% accept suicide bombing as good...

    Extremism Widely Rejected

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    Muslims around the world strongly reject violence in the name of Islam. Asked specifically about suicide bombing, clear majorities in most countries say such acts are rarely or never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies.

    In most countries where the question was asked, roughly three-quarters or more Muslims reject suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians. And in most countries, the prevailing view is that such acts are never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies. Yet there are some countries in which substantial minorities think violence against civilians is at least sometimes justified. This view is particularly widespread among Muslims in the Palestinian territories (40%), Afghanistan (39%), Egypt (29%) and Bangladesh (26%).

    The survey finds little evidence that attitudes toward violence in the name of Islam are linked to factors such as age, gender or education. Similarly, the survey finds no consistent link between support for enshrining sharia as official law and attitudes toward religiously motivated violence. In only three of the 15 countries with sufficient samples sizes for analysis – Egypt, Kosovo and Tunisia – are sharia supporters significantly more likely to say suicide bombing and other forms of violence are at least sometimes justified. In Bangladesh, sharia supporters are significantly less likely to hold this view.

    In a majority of countries surveyed, at least half of Muslims say they are somewhat or very concerned about religious extremism. And on balance, more Muslims are concerned about Islamic than Christian extremist groups. In all but one of the 36 countries where the question was asked, no more than one-in-five Muslims express worries about Christian extremism, compared with 28 countries where at least that many say they are concerned about Islamic extremist groups. This includes six countries in which 40% or more of Muslims worry about Islamic extremism: Guinea Bissau (54%), Indonesia (53%), Kazakhstan (46%), Iraq (45%), Ghana (45%) and Pakistan (40%). (For more details on views toward extremism, see Concern About Religious Extremism in Chapter 2: Religion and Politics.)
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We are seeing restriction on a free and open society even in the US from islamists.
    However, unlike in Europe, Americans have the Second Amendment.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.

    World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

    Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    What a weird poll is that?

    Of course, radical Islam is NOT compatible with a free society.

    The much more interesting questions are:

    - how "moderate" is mainstream Islam?
    - is mainstream Islam compatible with a free society?
    - how large is the share of radical vs. mainstream vs. moderate Muslims among all Muslims?
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Was I talking to you?
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    What a weird poll is that?

    Of course, radical Islam is NOT compatible with a free society.

    The much more interesting questions are:

    - how "moderate" is mainstream Islam?
    - is mainstream Islam compatible with a free society?
    - how large is the share of radical vs. mainstream vs. moderate Muslims among all Muslims?
    Take a look at the poll results, some feel otherwise.

    My polls are done for my purposes.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    What a weird poll is that?

    Of course, radical Islam is NOT compatible with a free society.

    The much more interesting questions are:

    - how "moderate" is mainstream Islam?
    - is mainstream Islam compatible with a free society?
    - how large is the share of radical vs. mainstream vs. moderate Muslims among all Muslims?
    How would we define a 'moderate' Muslim?

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How would we define a 'moderate' Muslim?
    I'd say a moderate is someone who balances religion with other aspects of their life, such as work and family.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How would we define a 'moderate' Muslim?
    I'd say, when he's not any more opposed to constitutional values than a "moderate Christian" or "moderate Jew", that's fine.

    There are Christians who are more than a bit nutty, and it's their right to be, as long as they respect the law and constitution and strictly oppose violence in the name of their religion. The same should apply to Muslims, IMO.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I'd say a moderate is someone who balances religion with other aspects of their life, such as work and family.
    that's not such a bad definition. The kind you find more at home and less on the streets. Would the male head of the household feel his wife has to wear a head covering, be allowed to drive, go outdoors without an escort? And how easy is it to be a 'moderate' in a Muslim dominated country?

    I found it interesting what some Muslims are going through when they are conflicted with Islam, and there are many such sites. Most are anonymous but it rings true. How did it feel to leave Islam? - Quora

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I'd say, when he's not any more opposed to constitutional values than a "moderate Christian" or "moderate Jew", that's fine.

    There are Christians who are more than a bit nutty, and it's their right to be, as long as they respect the law and constitution and strictly oppose violence in the name of their religion. The same should apply to Muslims, IMO.
    There are many Atheists, Buddhists, Hindus and Agnostics who are nutty as well, so every time Islam is mentioned it's not a requirement to also mention Christianity.

    The reason Islam is mentioned is because it's in the news a great deal and the term 'moderate' Muslim is often used without much discussion about what that means. Amadeus had a pretty good response. Perhaps it also involves a live and let live, do unto others, philosophy. I find that 'moderate' Muslims, as well as many others, still feel the need to mention US flaws or Christian shortcomings when defending Islam. Of course this religion or the United States is not related to Islam at all.

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