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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Radical Islam is the result of cultural and social developments, it could never be created by the West and its actions as it's a deep-rooted cultural aspect that Muslim societies have developed on their own, just as radical elements of Christianity during the crusades were developed by Christian societies.

    During the Shah era Iran was a very moderate and almost secular nation. It was in close relations with the West not merely because of the body that governed it at the time but also because of the moderate elements that led Iranian society. You can argue against the US forcing its continued rule all the way up to the Islamic revolution, but it cannot be argued that it was the reason or part of the reason for the emerging of radical Islam in Iran. If it wouldn't be there the Islamic revolution would have just happened sooner.

    To conclude no, radical Islam is by no means the result of Western involvement, it is rather simply the result of the path taken by Muslim societies.
    So radicalism is the logical, inevitable endpoint for all Muslim societies?
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

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    Tried running it in Mozilla?
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So radicalism is the logical, inevitable endpoint for all Muslim societies?
    No, not all.

    Turkey is an example of one Muslim society that rejected its radical elements, however I'm afraid that now under Erdogan and the AKP it is walking that same path once more.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.



    World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

    Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?
    Islam is submission. Opposite of freedom.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

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    Funny,

    Speaking of which, I cannot play videos in Mozilla.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Islam is fundamentally incompatible with liberal freedom, as are all traditional religions, including Christianity. Although some can and will bastardize it like they have Christianity.

    While distinctly Islamic positions should not be supported, Muslim conservatives should be supported in their fights in their own countries against liberalism.
    I would totally disagree with your contention that Christianity should be lumped in as incompatable with a free society. The objective standard that guides Christianity is the bible, which clearly states that Christians should submit to ones government.

    1 Peter 2:13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men— 16as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God. 17Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I would totally disagree with your contention that Christianity should be lumped in as incompatable with a free society. The objective standard that guides Christianity is the bible, which clearly states that Christians should submit to ones government.
    Since the free society does not wants pedophiles then Christianity is incompatible with a free society also.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    No, not all.

    Turkey is an example of one Muslim society that rejected its radical elements...
    No, there are other Muslim countries that also reject radical elements, such as Dardania and Albania:
    Hashim Thaēi: Ekstremizmi fetar ėshtė fenomen shumė kompleks. Shumė njerėz me shkollim tė ultė dhe gjendje tė keqe materiale ndikohen mė lehtė nga ekstremistėt dhe propaganda e fėlliqur e tyre. Propaguesit e ekstremizmit fetar, pėrfshi disa imamė, marrin shuma marramendėse nga kanale tė ndryshme nė njė anė dhe jetojnė njė jetė luksi amoral, por nė anėn tjetėr po gėnjejnė tė varfrit me ekstremizėm fetar. Por, ne kemi pasur edhe raste tė terroristėve Dardane tė dyshuar qė po luftojnė nė Siri qė kanė prejardhjen nga familje tė pasura, qė kanė fakultete tė pėrfunduara dhe qė kanė pasur vende stabile tė punės. Shumė prej tyre janė indoktrinuar nga rrjetet sociale dhe nga predikimet nė internet.

    Dardania si shtet me popullsi shumicė myslimane, por me rend kushtetues laik dhe me prirje tė qarta pro-europiane, ėshtė halė nė sy e atyre qė nuk durojnė stilin tonė tė jetesės – dhe aty kemi bashkėpunim midis klero-nacionalistėve serbė dhe ekstremistėve myslimanė. Qė tė dy palėt ėndėrrojnė tė na prishin me aleatin historik dhe partnerin strategjik Amerikėn. Ju e dini qė ne kemi refuzuar me vendosmėri mė 1998-99 ēfarėdo roli tė vullnetarėve ekstremistė nga Lindja e Mesme nė UĒK. Kemi kundėrshtuar tendencat e njollosjes sė luftės tonė pėrpara dhe do tė kundėrshtojmė njollosjen e Dardanisė sot nga ekstremistėt fetarė.

    Edhe grupet ekstremiste djathtiste serbe edhe fanatikėt islamikė tė inspiruar nga ngjarjet nė Lindje tė Mesme, dėshirojnė dėmtimin e Dardanisė dhe aleancės tonė me Amerikė, se ne jemi dėshmi e gjallė qė diversiteti dhe toleranca fetare mund t’u mbijetojnė tendencave pėr gjenocid dhe shkatėrrim tė njė populli.
    - See more at: Ekstremistėt duan tė na prishin me Amerikėn | Politiko
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    Hashim Thaci: Religious Extremism is a very complex phenomenon. Many people with low education and poor material condition more easily influenced by extremists and their filthy propaganda. Propaguesit of religious extremism, including some imams, take enormous amounts of different channels on one side and live an immoral life of luxury, but on the other hand the poor are lying with religious extremism. But, we have had cases of suspected terrorists Dardanians who are fighting in Syria descended from wealthy families, who finished faculties and have a stable job. Many of them are indoctrinated from social networks and online sermons.

    Dardania as a state with a majority Muslim population, but with a secular constitutional order and the clear trend pro-European, is the thorn in the side of those who endure our style of living - and there have cooperation among clears-Serb nationalists and Muslim extremists. Both sides dream spoil us with historic ally and strategic partner America. You know that we have firmly rejected any role 1998-99 extremists volunteers from the Middle East in the KLA. We opposed the war trends stain our front and will oppose Dardania soiling today by religious extremists.

    Serbian right-wing extremist groups and Islamic fanatics inspired by events in the Middle East, like damaging Dardania and our alliance with America, that we are living proof that diversity and religious tolerance can survive the trends of genocide and destruction of a people.
    - See more at: Ekstremistėt duan tė na prishin me Amerikėn | Politiko
    After Enver Hoxha, the former Albanian president, I think Muslim extremists have a good reason not to try becoming radicals there again.

    Plus, what about UAE? Especially Dubai?

    Plenty of countries that reject radical elements other than Turkiye.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    No, not all.

    Turkey is an example of one Muslim society that rejected its radical elements...
    Here's more:

    Kosovo takes steps against Islamic extremism (SETimes.com)
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