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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I think the question that ought to be asked is that how did some elements of Islam became radicalized in the first place. Things dont happen in a vacuum.
    No! We cant ask questions that may force us to face answers we don't want to acknowledge!
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And thus the goalposts are moved. You changed it from "Radical Islam" to "Islam" in the span of one post.
    Where do you find Islam that you do not also find Radical islam

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    No! We cant ask questions that may force us to face answers we don't want to acknowledge!
    Such as..?
    What answers do "we" want to ignore?
    You believe that radical Islam is the result of something that those "we" did?
    Is that it?
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

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    I accept your concession.
    This is not a wargame for me to "concede."

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    That wiki simply listed conflicts and thier death tolls. your dismissal is a mere attempt to avoid having to admit you are wrong.

    It didn't work.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Weak-o-pedia is not worth my time, and it never works in debates with me.
    Tried running it in Mozilla?
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    Where do you find Islam that you do not also find Radical islam
    In the vast majority of Muslims that have NOT been radicalized.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Such as..?
    What answers do "we" want to ignore?
    You believe that radical Islam is the result of something that those "we" did?
    Is that it?
    In part, yes, at least the actions of Western governments.

    When did radical Islam really take hold? When the Shah, who we propped up, was deposed by Khomeini and his ilk. When the U.S. and its allies funded and supported fundamentalist governments in the Middle East as a buffer against the Godless Reds of the Soviet Union.

    I'm by no means saying it's All Our Fault, but to deny our responsibility for turmoil in the Middle East and other hotspots is to deny history.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    In the vast majority of Muslims that have NOT been radicalized.
    You did not answer my question, where you do find Islam, that you do not also find radical Islam?

    Where?

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    You did not answer my question, where you do find Islam, that you do not also find radical Islam?

    Where?
    What, you want a zip code?

    Where Islam is most prevalent is also where other conditions that often lead to radicalization are prominent -- abject poverty and government repression, to name a couple.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    In part, yes, at least the actions of Western governments.

    When did radical Islam really take hold? When the Shah, who we propped up, was deposed by Khomeini and his ilk. When the U.S. and its allies funded and supported fundamentalist governments in the Middle East as a buffer against the Godless Reds of the Soviet Union.

    I'm by no means saying it's All Our Fault, but to deny our responsibility for turmoil in the Middle East and other hotspots is to deny history.
    Radical Islam is the result of cultural and social developments, it could never be created by the West and its actions as it's a deep-rooted cultural aspect that Muslim societies have developed on their own, just as radical elements of Christianity during the crusades were developed by Christian societies.

    During the Shah era Iran was a very moderate and almost secular nation. It was in close relations with the West not merely because of the body that governed it at the time but also because of the moderate elements that led Iranian society. You can argue against the US forcing its continued rule all the way up to the Islamic revolution, but it cannot be argued that it was the reason or part of the reason for the emerging of radical Islam in Iran. If it wouldn't be there the Islamic revolution would have just happened sooner.

    To conclude no, radical Islam is by no means the result of Western involvement, it is rather simply the result of the path taken by Muslim societies.
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