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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    turkey is trying

    you dont know anyhting about turkey and cyprus ...

    turkey doesnt need to be secular
    Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (pronounced [mustäˈfä ceˈmäl äˈtäˌtyɾc]; 19 May 1881 (conventional) – 10 November 1938) was a Turkish army officer, reformist statesman, and the first President of Turkey. He is credited with being the founder of the Republic of Turkey. His surname, Atatürk (meaning "Father of the Turks"), was granted to him in 1934 and forbidden to any other person by the Turkish parliament.[1]

    Atatürk was a military officer during World War I.[2] Following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, he led the Turkish National Movement in the Turkish War of Independence. Having established a provisional government in Ankara, he defeated the forces sent by the Allies. His military campaigns led to victory in the Turkish War of Independence. Atatürk then embarked upon a program of political, economic, and cultural reforms, seeking to transform the former Ottoman Empire into a modern and secular nation-state. Under his leadership, thousands of new schools were built, primary education was made free and compulsory, and women were given equal civil and political rights, while the burden of taxation on peasants was reduced.[3] His government also carried out an extensive policy of Turkification.[4][5][6][7] The principles of Atatürk's reforms, upon which modern Turkey was established, are referred to as Kemalism.
    Under Urgodan Turkey is becoming more and more radicalized. Theres a reason your nation is worried that ISIS violence will spill into your nation. Frankly your anti-westernism will make that more likely. Remember that woman suicide bomber this week?

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    No.

    Natural law doesn't work that way. One can't do evil to seek good.
    Can you elaborate about "natural law" and how it stops "evil from seeking good," and do so with references please?
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post

    Correct. Muslim conservatives are generally the real thing. Most American conservatives are just liberals who aren't quite as liberal as some of the other liberals.


    Muslim "conservative" chop off hands, and blame women for being raped. Is this who you wish to emulate?
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    People who support violence for political means, those who advocate for strict islamic state including law, govt, etc.
    And to restate the obvious-they need not all be terrorists-though the most extreme certainly are.
    People can advocate for whatever they want. That's the core principal behind the idea of freedom of speech which I fully support. As long as they don't commit acts of violence they can say or think or work towards, within the context of the law, whatever they want.

    So to answer your question radical Islam or any other ideology to the extent that they don't commit acts of violence and work within the legal system are compatible with a free society. I'd go further and suggest that a society that doesn't allow the existence of radical ideologies is not free.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Outside of the radical leftists on the FBI most wanted lists, and of course muslims-I dont see other radicals doing such things, and certainly not with this frequency or death toll.
    Most domestic terrorism these days is due to radical right wing groups so don't forget them. Radical left wing groups tend to damage property (think ecoterrorists). Radical right wing groups tend to target people (Timothy McVeigh and Neo-Nazis). Radical anything is dangerous.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    I am American and no, Islam is not comparable with a free society. The population of muslims in the United States is less than 1%. In France it is 10%. As there population increases in the US we to will have no go zones and sharia law/courts. The question is do we have what it takes to stop this madness? Where is our Winston Churchill? Neville Chamberlain lives in the white house, the president of France, Belgium, the UK, and the chancellor of Germany. We all know what must be done because so called moderate peaceful muslims will not. We have to fight fight them without our hands behind our backs just as we fought the Nazi and Japanese empire. That is the answer.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Most domestic terrorism these days is due to radical right wing groups so don't forget them. Radical left wing groups tend to damage property (think ecoterrorists). Radical right wing groups tend to target people (Timothy McVeigh and Neo-Nazis). Radical anything is dangerous.
    What you are saying is foolish.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    What you are saying is foolish.
    You don't think that radicalism in general can be dangerous? Radical right wingers and you get Timothy McVeigh or violent White Supremacist groups. Radical left wingers and you get ecoterrorists or communist guerrillas. Radical fundamentalists and you get Islamic Terrorists or Christian Terrorist groups like the LRA.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    WTF are you talking about. lol "muslim conservatives" aren't even in the same ballpark as american conservatives....
    If I read the thread correctly, some pages back, it seems that the hatred towards liberals they share is a common link. But I agree, they are not apples for apples by comparison.

    I have often found parallels between the two, somewhat on a lesser level, of course. I jokingly often refer to some of our more esteemed "very conservative," leaning colleagues here as the "American Taliban." We all know why. Well, all of us except them. LOL!
    I don't consider those people compatible to a free and liberal society either but what ya gonna do? We're stuck with them.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Can you elaborate about "natural law" and how it stops "evil from seeking good," and do so with references please?
    If something is evil, then it is not good.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Muslim "conservative" chop off hands, and blame women for being raped. Is this who you wish to emulate?
    Western liberals murder their young. In any case, I don't emulate Muslims, I support them in their struggles against liberalism.

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