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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That was almost 70-years ago and we ended up using nukes. I don't believe that we're going to win the war on terror with nukes.
    That's because the war on nukes isn't centralized, there isn't anywhere specific where you can nuke to pressure the terrorists to quit. Further, most of the terrorists are religious fanatics, they don't care if they die, in fact, they think that if they die for the cause, they get rewarded in the afterlife. They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be argued with, they can only be killed because the only thing they want out of this war is to kill infidels.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Bombing the crap out of them will not solve any issues either.
    Certainly it will.

    The fools they use as suicide bombers may believe in the 72 virgins waiting for them, or immortality as a martyr, but their handlers tend to be a great deal more sophisticated than that and they don't want a bomb crashing through their ceilings. You may need a couple of them, like Japan, but they'll soon get the drift.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Every person that died, was wounded, etc. in G.W. Bush's un-necessary war in Iraq has relatives, friends and fellow tribesmen who are looking for some pay-back.

    "What goes around, comes around."

    What we're seeing on this planet right now is karma.
    That's nonsense. Islamic terrorism was around long before George Bush became President and it will continue after BHO, until they learn the error of their ways.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Radicalize any religion and it;s not compatible to a free society.
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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Islam also has a long history of tolerance and peaceful coexistence and stuff. Reactionary elements seize power in certain times and places, and liberal elements do in others. The current round of reactionaries is in response to the Cold War, and while it draws inspiration from previous ones, it's its own unique set of arseholes.
    This is the current PC dogma, but it misses the long history of violence (peace only comes through subjugation and control), and often in 3rd world nations that have nothing at all to do with the cold war.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That was almost 70-years ago and we ended up using nukes. I don't believe that we're going to win the war on terror with nukes.
    Whats 70 years to a religion that is living in the 7th century? And my specific comment (focus, here) was in response to the comment that bombing our enemies works.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I know Turkey is trying to be as secular as possible, but radical islam is a factor there as well, especially recently. Its still tense on the island as I understand it. And my family is greek, so I know the story.
    turkey is trying

    you dont know anyhting about turkey and cyprus ...

    turkey doesnt need to be secular
    Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (pronounced [mustäˈfä ceˈmäl äˈtäˌtyɾc]; 19 May 1881 (conventional) – 10 November 1938) was a Turkish army officer, reformist statesman, and the first President of Turkey. He is credited with being the founder of the Republic of Turkey. His surname, Atatürk (meaning "Father of the Turks"), was granted to him in 1934 and forbidden to any other person by the Turkish parliament.[1]

    Atatürk was a military officer during World War I.[2] Following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, he led the Turkish National Movement in the Turkish War of Independence. Having established a provisional government in Ankara, he defeated the forces sent by the Allies. His military campaigns led to victory in the Turkish War of Independence. Atatürk then embarked upon a program of political, economic, and cultural reforms, seeking to transform the former Ottoman Empire into a modern and secular nation-state. Under his leadership, thousands of new schools were built, primary education was made free and compulsory, and women were given equal civil and political rights, while the burden of taxation on peasants was reduced.[3] His government also carried out an extensive policy of Turkification.[4][5][6][7] The principles of Atatürk's reforms, upon which modern Turkey was established, are referred to as Kemalism.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    You know the difference. Japan is a country. Radical Islam is not confined to a single country. We cannot declare war on an ideology. Bombing in a declared war works because it can break the backbone of a nation. Atomic bombs broke the Japanese backbone. In a war on radical ideology, there is only a fraction of people that see themselves as enemies of the US, but every time we kill an innocent civilian that number climbs. By killing people we do not break the backbone of the radical Islamists, we only strengthen it.
    We can and have defeated ideologies-that screwed up shinto warrior code of the Japanese, and Nazism.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Certainly it will.

    The fools they use as suicide bombers may believe in the 72 virgins waiting for them, or immortality as a martyr, but their handlers tend to be a great deal more sophisticated than that and they don't want a bomb crashing through their ceilings. You may need a couple of them, like Japan, but they'll soon get the drift.
    Its almost like a mark 82 bomb through the roof is a universal language.

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    Re: Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's nonsense. Islamic terrorism was around long before George Bush became President and it will continue after BHO, until they learn the error of their ways.
    Thats true but its easier to blame conservatives n stuff.

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