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Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 43 46.2%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 37 39.8%

  • Im not American, no.

    Votes: 12 12.9%
  • Total voters
    93
Is there any realistic possibility that a church is going to be forced to perform a marriage?
 
US Conservative said:
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We hear much about gay marriage these days, both in the media and in politics. However, many religions (not just Christians) are expressly against gay marriage. There are exceptions, but in general that is the current situation.

Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

My thoughts TK.
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No, they should not. Marriage is a civil, not religious, institution.
 
Dragonfly said:
Are churches forced to marry straight people?

When I was getting married, could my spouse and I have walked into any church we desired and "made" them marry us?

Being that I'm not a member of any church - would the local Catholic Church have been required to marry us? What about the local Jewish Synagogue?
Hindu Temple?

I'm damn certain that no church is ever required to marry anyone. They can always refuse. They can always say "no".
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So you think that there is discrimination going on?
 
Dragonfly said:
I hate the whole "left leaning" or "right leaning" but no "somewhere in the middle" or "other" option for polls like this.

I voted "left leaning" based on my stance regarding SSM.
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It also makes it harder to read the poll results. Quite annoying.
 
OrphanSlug said:
The issue with this argument is the church is not the only one to offer marriages, one can be obtained through government offices. The other issue with the argument is the 1st Amendment, freedom of religion does not come with the context that the government can force religion to do something. And that has to include marriages.
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A Baker is not the only one you can buy a cake from.
 
joG said:
So you think that there is discrimination going on?
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Churches can and do discriminate at will. Catholic church and women priests would be a perfect example.
So what? A church is a 100% purely voluntary organization which buys and sells faith.

What's your point?
 
Dragonfly said:
Churches can and do discriminate at will. Catholic church and women priests would be a perfect example.
So what? A church is a 100% purely voluntary organization which buys and sells faith.

What's your point?
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That it is not fair to force bakers to serve gay marriage against there conscientious objection but not a priest. One sells cake and as you say the other sells faith. So why treat the one other than the other?
 
No. Not unless the church agrees to do it. Then who cares, lol.
 
joG said:
That it is not fair to force bakers to serve gay marriage against there conscientious objection but not a priest. One sells cake and as you say the other sells faith. So why treat the one other than the other?
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Because it's not an apples to apples comparison.

Churches discriminate. Period.

A church is NOT the same as a bakery. Period.

A church CAN tell a straight couple they won't marry them.
A bakery should not be able to tell a straight couple they won't sell them a cake because they are Mexican.

This is fairly common sense stuff here.
 
shrubnose said:
How would you force them to do this? It would be a violation of the 1st Amendment. :roll:

I'd be interested to hear your story about how this could be done.
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How have bakers, photographers, florists, and such been successfully prosecuted for refusing to participate in sick homosexual mockeries of weddings? That's every bit as much a violation of the First Amendment as it would be to force churches into this sickness. Nobody is, at this point, talking about crossing a line that has not already been crossed.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
How have bakers, photographers, florists, and such been successfully prosecuted for refusing to participate in sick homosexual mockeries of weddings? That's every bit as much a violation of the First Amendment as it would be to force churches into this sickness.
Nobody is, at this point, talking about crossing a line that has not already been crossed.
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What church in the USA has ever been forced to perform any wedding that it didn't want to perform? :roll:

Fill us in.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
How have bakers, photographers, florists, and such been successfully prosecuted for refusing to participate in sick homosexual mockeries of weddings? That's every bit as much a violation of the First Amendment as it would be to force churches into this sickness. Nobody is, at this point, talking about crossing a line that has not already been crossed.
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actually not ONE single bakers, photographers, florists has been successfully prosecuted for refusing to participate in sick homosexual mockeries of weddings?

NOT ONE lol

please stop posting lies
 
Bob Blaylock said:
How have bakers, photographers, florists, and such been successfully prosecuted .....
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They are not churches.

Next.


Why has the Catholic Church been able to prevent women from holding certain positions within the organization for centuries without being prosecuted for discrimination based on gender?

Because it's a CHURCH.

If you're not a Catholic, and you want to be married within the Catholic Church by a Catholic priest they can legally tell you "no, we won't do that for you".
Even if you are a straight couple. The church can say no.

Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend.

A car dealer can't tell a gay person they won't sell them a vehicle because they are gay.
A 7-11 can refuse to sell a slurpee to a customer because the customer is gay.
Chinese take-out can't refuse to sell food to a black woman because she's black and a female.

But a Jewish Synagogue sure as hell can refuse to perform a wedding for a non-Jewish couple regardless of which way their orientation points.
 
I've never understood why someone would want to have someone marry them against their will to begin with. Maybe it's just me, but the underlying tension alone would ruin my wedding day.
 
shrubnose said:
The factory? You're saying that there's only one factory, eh?

Who does the baking in that one and only factory? :roll:

Fill us in.
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No. There are lots of factories, bakeries and confectioners'. That is why forcing a baker that concientously objects to bake a cake for a gay wedding is so absurd.
 
Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

Bob Blaylock said:
In the First Amendment, it affirms the freedoms of speech, press, and religion; and strongly implies freedom of association, freedom of thought, and freedom of expression. It prohibits Congress from making any law which violates these rights. By incorporation under the Fourteenth Amendment, these rights are protected from violation by lower levels of government as well.

There is nothing in the Constitution which makes any distinction between an individual, a commercial business, a church, or any other organization. Nothing that implies that any of these may be denied any of these rights.

Government has crossed the line in selectively denying these rights to individual, and to businesses, in blatant violation of the First Amendment. There is no new precedent that needs to be set in order to deny these rights to churches, that hasn't already been set in denying these rights to individuals or to businesses.

The line has been crossed.
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Freedom of religion is not the same thing as freedom from all laws and regulations. The more you know...:prof
 
joG said:
No.
There are lots of factories, bakeries and confectioners'. That is why forcing a baker that concientously objects to bake a cake for a gay wedding is so absurd.
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What does baking cakes have to do with churches performing gay marriages?

I don't see the connection.
 
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Is there any realistic possibility that a church is going to be forced to perform a marriage?[
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A lot of things could happen before the end of time.

But that doesn't mean that any or all of them will happen. We'll just have to wait and see.
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shrubnose said:
What does baking cakes have to do with churches performing gay marriages?

I don't see the connection.
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It was someone that applauded forcing a baker to supply a wedding in a debate a while ago but said here there was no reason to force a priest do a similar wedding. It seemed inconsistent.
 
I have no problem at all with churches not performing gay marriages, in fact, I have no problem with them performing no marriages of any kind. Marriage is mostly secular, churches don't matter.
 
joG said:
It was someone that applauded forcing a baker to supply a wedding in a debate a while ago but said here there was no reason to force a priest do a similar wedding.
It seemed inconsistent.
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If you keep up with the news you'll see lots of inconsistent things happen in the USA.

That's one thing that's consistent in the USA- inconsistency. :roll:
 
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