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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Because it would be discrimination? They offer marriages as do bakers bridal cake.
    Are churches forced to marry straight people?

    When I was getting married, could my spouse and I have walked into any church we desired and "made" them marry us?

    Being that I'm not a member of any church - would the local Catholic Church have been required to marry us? What about the local Jewish Synagogue?
    Hindu Temple?

    I'm damn certain that no church is ever required to marry anyone. They can always refuse. They can always say "no".
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Because it would be discrimination? They offer marriages as do bakers bridal cake.
    The issue with this argument is the church is not the only one to offer marriages, one can be obtained through government offices. The other issue with the argument is the 1st Amendment, freedom of religion does not come with the context that the government can force religion to do something. And that has to include marriages.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    1.)Absolutely not. If we are going for separation of church and state then that goes both ways. The church should not appeal to government to define acceptable terms for marriage, and the government should not appeal to the church by forcing them to marry whoever shows up.
    2.) If the LGBT community is asking for this, then they are overstepping their position.
    1.) everybody here agrees
    2.) also everybody here agrees and they are not asking for this
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    Yeah because the government never forces people to do things against their will under the threat of force, right?
    It's irrational because such a move would be blatantly against the letter and spirit of the 1st amendment, wouldn't survive a SCOTUS challenge, and would cause widespread and righteous outrage from every sector of the population. This specific issue transcends the left\right, liberal\conservative dynamics in our country.

    If you have examples of blatant unconstitutional behavior that isn't being challenged, we should definitely shed some light on them (probably in a different thread.) Certainly there are hazy and contentious areas, but freedom of religion isn't one of them.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    If the government can reasonably dictate what a church believes and what it doesn't believe... and make no mistake, dictating actions is the same thing as dictating beliefs... then we would need only a single church/religion.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    What is the point of this poll? No one is arguing that they should. Moreover, it would not be constitutional. Its nothing but a straw man. Churches already do not recognize all sorts of marriages that the government does recognize. For example, if you divorce and then remarry the Catholic Church will not recognize the second marriage. The same is the case with same sex marriage.
    Actually, I have seen people argue that they should. I'm not one of them, btw.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    I think someone is messing with the vote. I cant believe that 5 right leaning people voted yes and dont believe that 6 left leaning people did. Until I just voted, there were exactly the same number of yes's as no's. I just dont believe that that happened without someone messing with it.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    I'm beginning to think the TRUE fear of the anti-SSM crowd is that after it becomes widely accepted, most churches will CHOOSE voluntarily to participate, alienating their own traditionalists. I expect these types would prefer their church being forced rather than deciding on their own.

    I imagine there were similar concerns in some churches before interracial marriages became commonplace. That was a few decades ago, so some of us may live long enough to see this issue rendered quaint.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What do you call a church that demands 10% of your income to be a member?
    It's not a demand. It's a request, a mere suggestion. Some churches are just more efficient as requesting and suggesting than others.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Fair enough (I happen to agree) but the question was if churches should be forced to do so.
    Sorry if I did not make that clear.

    I do not think they should be forced to do so.

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