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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is not happening, it is not going to happen, it would be unconstitutional to try, and basically no one thinks they should. I suspect the purpose of the thread is to try and create a false impression that this is an actual issue.
    There have already been steps taken in this direction, that ought to have been seen as clearly unconstitutional, but which have been allowed anyway. The big step was in forcing photographers, caterers, bakers, and such, to provide service to homosexual mockeries of weddings, and to subject them to civil liability and/or criminal charges for refusing to do so. This is blatantly unconstitutional, and yet it has been allowed to happen. Compared to that, it is a very small step from there to forcing churches to participate in homosexual mockeries of weddings.

    If we were going to stop short of forcing churches to participate in such sickness, then we would have stopped before we reached the point of forcing businesses to participate in it.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    There have already been steps taken in this direction, that ought to have been seen as clearly unconstitutional, but which have been allowed anyway. The big step was in forcing photographers, caterers, bakers, and such, to provide service to homosexual mockeries of weddings, and to subject them to civil liability and/or criminal charges for refusing to do so. This is blatantly unconstitutional, and yet it has been allowed to happen. Compared to that, it is a very small step from there to forcing churches to participate in homosexual mockeries of weddings.

    If we were going to stop short of forcing churches to participate in such sickness, then we would have stopped before we reached the point of forcing businesses to participate in it.
    Look at the second word in the thread title. See that word. it is "churches". Not bakeries, not photographers, but churches.

    And your ignorance of the constitution is astounding.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    I'm a big fan of revenge, so it would be delicious to force it on for instance the LSD churches out in utah who put out lying advertising for prop H8. However, i would have to say no, since this fear is obviously the main argument deployed by the anti equality crowd. If we were making no progress *still* on SSM, i'd be all for it, but i see no benefit at this time to incite sympathy towards the bigots by targeting their churches.

    Let's keep it focused instead on putting bigot bakers out of work

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Absolutely not. No religious entity should ever be forced to perform ceremonies that are against its core dogma. The only exception would be if they operate more as a business than a house of worship.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Why on earth would churches be forced to perform gay weddings. If someone wants to be gay wed he either finds a priest who is willing to perform that marriage or a judge/city hall to get married.

    The right to wed your same sex partner is not the right to force churches who do not approve of said gay weddings to perform them.

    So no, I am not an American and I think forcing churches to marry gays/lesbians is totally unacceptable.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Look at the second word in the thread title. See that word. it is "churches". Not bakeries, not photographers, but churches.

    And your ignorance of the constitution is astounding.
    The point is that nobody ought to have been forced to participate in sick homosexual mockeries of weddings, against their will. Not bakers. Not florists. Not photographers. Nobody. The Constitution has already been violated, by forcing this evil on decent people who want nothing to do with it. The line has already been crossed. The precedents have already been set, that will now make it possible to force this evil into churches.

    If you think that the Constitution has not already been violated, then it is you who is ignorant of what it says and what it means.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The point is that nobody ought to have been forced to participate in sick homosexual mockeries of weddings, against their will. Not bakers. Not florists. Not photographers. Nobody. The Constitution has already been violated, by forcing this evil on decent people who want nothing to do with it. The line has already been crossed. The precedents have already been set, that will now make it possible to force this evil into churches.

    If you think that the Constitution has not already been violated, then it is you who is ignorant of what it says and what it means.
    Again you show your ignorance of the constitution. Or perhaps you can show where it says that businesses cannot be regulated? And you might want to learn the difference between a business and a church. It is kinda important.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    A justice of the peace would suffice, that's all that matters, legally. Churches can do whatever they want, either alienate and isolate themselves, or get with the times, nobody should force a church to do anything, it's on the church to decide how they want to handle it.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The point is that nobody ought to have been forced to participate in sick homosexual mockeries of weddings, against their will. Not bakers. Not florists. Not photographers. Nobody. The Constitution has already been violated, by forcing this evil on decent people who want nothing to do with it. The line has already been crossed. The precedents have already been set, that will now make it possible to force this evil into churches.

    If you think that the Constitution has not already been violated, then it is you who is ignorant of what it says and what it means.
    your hateful not decent churches don't have to marry people against their will in this country

    and their is no sick mockery of marriage based on gender just marge between people of the same gender as well as between men and women

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again you show your ignorance of the constitution. Or perhaps you can show where it says that businesses cannot be regulated? And you might want to learn the difference between a business and a church. It is kinda important.
    In the First Amendment, it affirms the freedoms of speech, press, and religion; and strongly implies freedom of association, freedom of thought, and freedom of expression. It prohibits Congress from making any law which violates these rights. By incorporation under the Fourteenth Amendment, these rights are protected from violation by lower levels of government as well.

    There is nothing in the Constitution which makes any distinction between an individual, a commercial business, a church, or any other organization. Nothing that implies that any of these may be denied any of these rights.

    Government has crossed the line in selectively denying these rights to individual, and to businesses, in blatant violation of the First Amendment. There is no new precedent that needs to be set in order to deny these rights to churches, that hasn't already been set in denying these rights to individuals or to businesses.

    The line has been crossed.
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