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Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    93
No, churches should not be required to perform any marriages they don't want to.
 
I hate the whole "left leaning" or "right leaning" but no "somewhere in the middle" or "other" option for polls like this.

I voted "left leaning" based on my stance regarding SSM.

as many posters have pointed out it makes the whole thread fail based on that alone
 
I feel that the irrational fear of this very outcome is much of what drives the "anti-gay marriage" position.

As though extending beyond the traditional gender barrier on a civil marriage somehow negates the 1st amendment.

If anything, it forced churches to be a bit more honest about their quasi-religious business interests.

Suddenly it's not so easy to operate a business as though it was an extension of a church.

Yeah because the government never forces people to do things against their will under the threat of force, right?
 
Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

Absolutely not. If we are going for separation of church and state then that goes both ways. The church should not appeal to government to define acceptable terms for marriage, and the government should not appeal to the church by forcing them to marry whoever shows up. If the LGBT community is asking for this, then they are overstepping their position.
 
Are churches "forced" to marry straight people?
Pretty sure the answer is no.

So why/how could they be forced to marry gay people?
 
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We hear much about gay marriage these days, both in the media and in politics. However, many religions (not just Christians) are expressly against gay marriage. There are exceptions, but in general that is the current situation.

Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

My thoughts TK.

Of course! By force and whip! Can't have religions acting politically incorrectly on conscientious objection, now can we?! May they burn in Hell!
 
Are churches "forced" to marry straight people?
Pretty sure the answer is no.

So why/how could they be forced to marry gay people?

Because it would be discrimination? They offer marriages as do bakers bridal cake.
 
How could any church be forced to do this in the USA with out violating the 1st Amendment? :roll: :roll:

That's the question that I'd like to see answered

If you can force a person to act against his conscientious objection and religion to fête a gay marriage, you can as well force the priest to marry the couple. In both cases the government is intruding on the religious freedom of the so forced with only a difference in degree.
 
Because it would be discrimination? They offer marriages as do bakers bridal cake.

Are churches forced to marry straight people?

When I was getting married, could my spouse and I have walked into any church we desired and "made" them marry us?

Being that I'm not a member of any church - would the local Catholic Church have been required to marry us? What about the local Jewish Synagogue?
Hindu Temple?

I'm damn certain that no church is ever required to marry anyone. They can always refuse. They can always say "no".
 
Because it would be discrimination? They offer marriages as do bakers bridal cake.

The issue with this argument is the church is not the only one to offer marriages, one can be obtained through government offices. The other issue with the argument is the 1st Amendment, freedom of religion does not come with the context that the government can force religion to do something. And that has to include marriages.
 
1.)Absolutely not. If we are going for separation of church and state then that goes both ways. The church should not appeal to government to define acceptable terms for marriage, and the government should not appeal to the church by forcing them to marry whoever shows up.
2.) If the LGBT community is asking for this, then they are overstepping their position.

1.) everybody here agrees
2.) also everybody here agrees and they are not asking for this
 
Yeah because the government never forces people to do things against their will under the threat of force, right?

It's irrational because such a move would be blatantly against the letter and spirit of the 1st amendment, wouldn't survive a SCOTUS challenge, and would cause widespread and righteous outrage from every sector of the population. This specific issue transcends the left\right, liberal\conservative dynamics in our country.

If you have examples of blatant unconstitutional behavior that isn't being challenged, we should definitely shed some light on them (probably in a different thread.) Certainly there are hazy and contentious areas, but freedom of religion isn't one of them.
 
If the government can reasonably dictate what a church believes and what it doesn't believe... and make no mistake, dictating actions is the same thing as dictating beliefs... then we would need only a single church/religion.

Wow. What a time and money saver!
 
What is the point of this poll? No one is arguing that they should. Moreover, it would not be constitutional. Its nothing but a straw man. Churches already do not recognize all sorts of marriages that the government does recognize. For example, if you divorce and then remarry the Catholic Church will not recognize the second marriage. The same is the case with same sex marriage.

Actually, I have seen people argue that they should. I'm not one of them, btw.
 
I think someone is messing with the vote. I cant believe that 5 right leaning people voted yes and dont believe that 6 left leaning people did. Until I just voted, there were exactly the same number of yes's as no's. I just dont believe that that happened without someone messing with it.
Right now, polls are worthless. Somebody's gaming them.
 
Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

I'm beginning to think the TRUE fear of the anti-SSM crowd is that after it becomes widely accepted, most churches will CHOOSE voluntarily to participate, alienating their own traditionalists. I expect these types would prefer their church being forced rather than deciding on their own.

I imagine there were similar concerns in some churches before interracial marriages became commonplace. That was a few decades ago, so some of us may live long enough to see this issue rendered quaint.
 
Fair enough (I happen to agree) but the question was if churches should be forced to do so.

Sorry if I did not make that clear.

I do not think they should be forced to do so.
 
I hate the whole "left leaning" or "right leaning" but no "somewhere in the middle" or "other" option for polls like this.

I voted "left leaning" based on my stance regarding SSM.

I voted "right leaning," because, well, I am. Sorta. Center/Right. I did it because I wanted everyone to know that not ALL right leaning people are bigoted retards. (Then Bob comes along and tries to prove me wrong. LOL)
 
For the record, I accidentally voted yes and I meant to vote no. The idea of a church being forced to do something like that is preposterous. It is a clear violation of the 1st amendment.
 
Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

As long as they are a CHURCH...and not a for profit business advertising weddings beyond a traditional [insert religion] service....absolutely not.
 
Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

There have already been steps taken in this direction, that ought to have been seen as clearly unconstitutional, but which have been allowed anyway. The big step was in forcing photographers, caterers, bakers, and such, to provide service to homosexual mockeries of weddings, and to subject them to civil liability and/or criminal charges for refusing to do so. This is blatantly unconstitutional, and yet it has been allowed to happen. Compared to that, it is a very small step from there to forcing churches to participate in homosexual mockeries of weddings.

If we were going to stop short of forcing churches to participate in such sickness, then we would have stopped before we reached the point of forcing businesses to participate in it.

Right because churches are just like businesses. They sell "salvation". A product that costs them nothing and is never delivered. I would make them pay taxes not perform weddings.
 
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