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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post

    Not sure what any of this has to do with churches and gay weddings though.
    Well, apparently many people who wish to remain anonymous think that churches should be forced.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I made the off handed comment that I don't innately trust government, and Agent pounced on it as if he had an argument. But if your read what he's written, the argument is nothing more than childish mockery, no actual argument or point.
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    i did NOTHING of the sort, why do you post lies lol

    I simply asked why YOU felt the way you do and you answered and I basically said "ok"
    i didnt mock it in any way????

    if you disagree simply qoute me and point out where "I" made an ARGUMENT over your mistrust and factually mocked it? you will fail because you invented that in your head
    wow talk about posting a lie and a complete strawman LMAO
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I think minimal standards should be enforced at least, such as building codes, fire safety, not advocating murder, etc
    They should also be expected to follow the rules of not snorting lines of coke on the altar and not torturing puppies in the rectory during Lent either. I didn't think I needed to post the obvious.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course I don't trust them. Government is not a trustworthy system. Necessary, yes; but not trustworthy. We are responsible for it and it requires our input and control to keep. The founders warned us well as to this. It's a basic of government, seen time and time again in human history.
    yes i get it you have little to no trust for them, again thank you for answering
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I agree 100% with one possible exception.

    I think a good many should be investigated and possibly forced to start paying taxes.
    Other than that...they should have 100% freedom to be as biased, ignorant, and discriminatory as desired.
    I'm all for removing their tax exemption. (They should remove credit unions' tax exemption while they're at it)

    I'm also for people having opinions that are completely different from mine without calling them names.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    That's case "here", as in this thread, is about Churches not bakers.

    But your right, bakers have a line of products they can produce. Therefore choosing not to bake wedding cakes (since if a good or service is not offered to the general public Public Accommodation laws don't apply) means the baker would not be forced out of the profession as you claimed.


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    Well, he had to pay a severe fine and was ordered to supply the cake in such cases. If I remember correctly the result was that he lost his bakery.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    You answered a question with another question? Which in no way answers the question.
    OK...no way should the Churches be forced to perform SSMs. [by the State]

    Now you answer my questions.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Well, he had to pay a severe fine and was ordered to supply the cake in such cases. If I remember correctly the result was that he lost his bakery.

    No fine has been has been levied and no they were not ordered to supply wedding cakes if wedding cakes were not a product offered to the public.


    Since no fine has been levied yet, the closing of the storefront bakery was not because of the fine. The closing of the storefront was because of lack of business after their practices came to light. They closed the storefront in September 2014, but the last I heard the hearing was scheduled for October 2014 (just a couple of months ago). I haven't seen anything resulting from that hearing or if a fine had even been imposed.




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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    OK...no way should the Churches be forced to perform SSMs. [by the State]

    Now you answer my questions.

    There shouldn't be public accommodation laws applied to private businesses in general. Owners should be able to turn away customers based on whatever criteria they choose, be it race, religion, national origin, ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, veterans status, parental status or just because somoene walks in a pirate costume with a parrot on the shoulder going "Arrrggg Matey!".



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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    I'm sorry I don't know how to explain it any more clearly. Being religious doesn't make a person immune to local and state law.

    I'm not tracking the prayer example. Do you mean school prayer? Isn't that compelling someone to pray?

    When "protecting the country" can potentially mean being ordered to commit violence, surely a moral objection makes sense to some.
    But there is considerable reason to doubt that it is unconstitutional to allow the state to interfere in religious practice and force a citizen to act against the moral code of his religion. That was why we decided not to draft people into military duty at a time of war. If we thought it unconstitutional to make someone defend the country, it seems very odd that we should allow the state to force the baker to supply a ceremony his religion says is a severe crime against his God.

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