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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We have freedom of religion in this country.Forcing a church ie a group of people to do something that goes against their religious beliefs is an infringement on their religion.
    What I want to know is why are we even paying attention to the obviously strawman argument? NO religion in America has been forced to perform gay marriages or to accept gay couples, and NOBODY on the left is supporting forcing them to do so!

    The ONLY people who are even talking about it are the conservatives and evangelicals who are Absolutely Sure that those 'godless lib'ruls' are a-gonna do it now that the Black Kenyan Muslim Commie-Nazi-Socialist took over the White House.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No it's not.

    One is an actual worship center of a religion, a central undeniable entity to the idea of "practicing" one's religion. A not-for-profit religious entity is acting solely as an entity of that religion. The government has no grounds to dictate that a religious institution must perform an action that inherently prohibits its operators from practicing their rleigion.

    One is a PLACE OF BUSINESS that has ZERO religious designations tied to it. It is a FOR PROFIT entity functioning within the public square. The government absolutely has grounds in such a case to dictate what actions said business must undertake as it relates to protecting the rights of others also functioning within that public square.

    "Practicing" ones religion does not entail a protection in any and every action you take in all walks of life. This is why, for example, if your religion called for you to paint a pentagram on a wall you would be free to do it to your hearts content in your own home...but if you did it to your neighbors house without permission it'd be vandalism.

    "Contientious objectors" has NOTHING at all to do with anti-discrimination laws. None what so ever. The fact you're trying to interject that is ridiculous.
    Don't be silly.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    What I want to know is why are we even paying attention to the obviously strawman argument? NO religion in America has been forced to perform gay marriages or to accept gay couples, and NOBODY on the left is supporting forcing them to do so!

    The ONLY people who are even talking about it are the conservatives and evangelicals who are Absolutely Sure that those 'godless lib'ruls' are a-gonna do it now that the Black Kenyan Muslim Commie-Nazi-Socialist took over the White House.
    They are forcing people with religious and moral opposition to gay marriage to make wedding cakes, and hold wedding receptions for gay weddings.So what is to stop them from doing that to a church?
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The factory.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They are forcing people with religious and moral opposition to gay marriage to make wedding cakes, and hold wedding receptions for gay weddings.So what is to stop them from doing that to a church?
    Say a baker - who operates a store that is open to the public - opposes gay marriage doesn't want to bake a cake for two women marrying each other. If he can legally say that he doesn't have to serve them, then if he chooses not to serve blacks or mixed-race couples or atheists, he can do that, too.

    And that is patently illegal

    The difference between a church and a business that's open to the public is that the two are NOT the same. A church is NOT a business that's open to the public. A church CAN say who can and cannot belong to it.

    That, sir, is why the baker can't discriminate, but churches can.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Say a baker - who operates a store that is open to the public - opposes gay marriage doesn't want to bake a cake for two women marrying each other. If he can legally say that he doesn't have to serve them, then if he chooses not to serve blacks or mixed-race couples or atheists, he can do that, too.

    And that is patently illegal

    The difference between a church and a business that's open to the public is that the two are NOT the same. A church is NOT a business that's open to the public. A church CAN say who can and cannot belong to it.

    That, sir, is why the baker can't discriminate, but churches can.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I believe the link you're missing is that these businesses agree to not discriminate as a requirement of being a licensed business.

    They enter those agreements voluntarily.
    That is not quite voluntary, if you cannot otherwise work in your profession. It's just another type of coercion.
    If you are a baker that makes wedding cakes and can't make birthday cakes, anniversary cakes, office party cakes, retirement cakes, Black Forrest Cake, Bunt Cake, Cheesecake, Christmas Cake, Easter Cake, 4th of July Cake, Coffee Cake, Cupcakes, muffins, brownies, cookies, scones, Breads, Pies, and other various baked goods...


    You are in the wrong profession.



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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    If you are a baker that makes wedding cakes and can't make birthday cakes, anniversary cakes, office party cakes, retirement cakes, Black Forrest Cake, Bunt Cake, Cheesecake, Christmas Cake, Easter Cake, 4th of July Cake, Coffee Cake, Cupcakes, muffins, brownies, cookies, scones, Breads, Pies, and other various baked goods...


    You are in the wrong profession.



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    In the case here the baker could bake the other cakes to.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, but owning a business means you are subject to business regulations. And you don't get to say no to those regulations because you want to claim your religion does not like them. This is well established constitutional law.
    Those regulations, like all other laws, are required to comply with the Constitution, including the First Amendment, or else government is acting illegally in imposing them.

    Government isn't legitimately allowed to pick and choose where the Constitution applies and where it does not. It always applies, everywhere.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Those regulations, like all other laws, are required to comply with the Constitution, including the First Amendment, or else government is acting illegally in imposing them.

    Government isn't legitimately allowed to pick and choose where the Constitution applies and where it does not. It always applies, everywhere.
    OK, still not sure where your confusion comes in. Laws are not a violation of the constitution, nor are business regulations. Being religious does not exempt you from those laws. The first amendment does not mean that the government cannot enforce laws that people claim are against there religion.
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