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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    One sells cake and as you say the other sells faith. So why treat the one other than the other?
    Selling faith is a cynical concept...and equivocation ftl.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    One is a not-for-profit religious entity...the other is a for profit business entity functioning in the public square.

    They are treated differently because they absolutely are different.
    In both cases it is about people being contientous objectors.

    And it also seems bizarre that we decided that defense of the Nation did not override conscience, while baking a cake does.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Selling faith is a cynical concept...and equivocation ftl.
    I was just using the girl's word. Keeping in line with her thinking. It was wrong.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is not quite voluntary, if you cannot otherwise work in your profession. It's just another type of coercion.
    I'm not aware of any guarantee'd right to work in the profession of your choice.

    Some areas have different restrictions, so possibly they could move to one that suits them better.

    Or they could sell their cakes to a licensed baker for resale, and not worry their pretty little heads about where they end up.

    But if they agree to be bound by the law (by applying for the license) then I know of no reason they shouldn't be bound by the law.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, but owning a business does not negate your First Amendment rights.
    No, but owning a business means you are subject to business regulations. And you don't get to say no to those regulations because you want to claim your religion does not like them. This is well established constitutional law.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    In both cases it is about people being contientous objectors.
    No it's not.

    One is an actual worship center of a religion, a central undeniable entity to the idea of "practicing" one's religion. A not-for-profit religious entity is acting solely as an entity of that religion. The government has no grounds to dictate that a religious institution must perform an action that inherently prohibits its operators from practicing their rleigion.

    One is a PLACE OF BUSINESS that has ZERO religious designations tied to it. It is a FOR PROFIT entity functioning within the public square. The government absolutely has grounds in such a case to dictate what actions said business must undertake as it relates to protecting the rights of others also functioning within that public square.

    "Practicing" ones religion does not entail a protection in any and every action you take in all walks of life. This is why, for example, if your religion called for you to paint a pentagram on a wall you would be free to do it to your hearts content in your own home...but if you did it to your neighbors house without permission it'd be vandalism.

    "Contientious objectors" has NOTHING at all to do with anti-discrimination laws. None what so ever. The fact you're trying to interject that is ridiculous.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
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    My thoughts TK.
    We have freedom of religion in this country.Forcing a church ie a group of people to do something that goes against their religious beliefs is an infringement on their religion.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Owning a business is not exercising your religion.
    Unfortunately, there's a whole heck of a lot of people out there who get 'business' and 'religion' confused. All one need do is to look at the churches who are *cough*goingoutofbusiness*cough* choosing to sell their chapels and, um, relocate to smaller (or nonexistent) locations...like maybe P.O. Boxes....

    I say that as a strong Christian, and the Church of which I am a member is most certainly growing. But a whole heck of a lot of churches out there...ain't really churches.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    I'm not aware of any guarantee'd right to work in the profession of your choice.

    Some areas have different restrictions, so possibly they could move to one that suits them better.

    Or they could sell their cakes to a licensed baker for resale, and not worry their pretty little heads about where they end up.

    But if they agree to be bound by the law (by applying for the license) then I know of no reason they shouldn't be bound by the law.
    To me it seems a queer way of thinking. We decided that saying a prayer and protecting the country do not override contientious objection, while selling a cake does.

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