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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That does not make it better; just more frequent.

    Who said that it was better? It wasn't me.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The Constitution is the highest law in this land. All other lesser laws and regulations are required to comply with it.

    The First Amendment, which is part of the Constitution, establishes rights to free speech, free press, freedom of religion, freedom of association, freedom of conscience, and freedom of expression. Lesser laws are not allowed to deny these rights.
    You might want to go read that first amendment again and learn what it says. Hint: it does not say that religious people can claim to be exempt from laws they do not like. I know the constitution, better than you apparently.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Personally, I think the only marriages the State/Feds should be involved with are civil ones. If people want a church wedding as well, fine, but the only one that should count as far as taxes and other benefits is a contract you file at the state level. No need for church approval or disapproval.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You might want to go read that first amendment again and learn what it says. Hint: it does not say that religious people can claim to be exempt from laws they do not like. I know the constitution, better than you apparently.
    Yeah. Suggesting that "the practice there of" regarding a religion extends out so much that it means simply how you live and function in every aspect of life is just unreasonably broad and non-sensical.

    I claim my religion preaches that time is of the essence and never waste a moment of life. As such, speed limit laws are disallowing the "practice" of my religion. So I can ignore them or else you're infringing on my right to practice my religion.

    I claim my religion preaches to engage in a hedonistic and decouherous life style so as to enjoy life to the fullest. As such, drug laws, gambling, and prostitution laws should not be able to be enforced upon me or else you're infringing on my right to practice my religion.

    I claim my religion preaches that clothes are but a shackle of the soul and should be shed at all times. As such, public decency laws should simply not apply to me or else the government is keeping me from "practicing" my religion.

    The reality is that when you function within the public square, as a business does, the social contract of the nation acknowledges that you divest some of your rights in respect for the rights of others within the society due to the conflict that arises between both sides attempting to exercises their rights. This process is codified by the laws of the country.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You might want to go read that first amendment again and learn what it says. Hint: it does not say that religious people can claim to be exempt from laws they do not like. I know the constitution, better than you apparently.
    No, it doesn't, nor do I claim that it does. It says that Congress (and by incorporation under the Fourteenth Amendment, all other levels of government) cannot enact laws which needlessly violate the right to free practice of religion.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    It's not correct to characterize this as one claiming a religious exemption from a law as it is that if the law conflicts with one's religious principles, then it was never a valid law in the first place.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post

    We hear much about gay marriage these days, both in the media and in politics. However, many religions (not just Christians) are expressly against gay marriage. There are exceptions, but in general that is the current situation.

    Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    My thoughts TK.
    Since when have ANY churches been forced to perform gay marriages or to accept gay couples as members? This is a classic strawman argument.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Or perhaps it is a sign that one has moral principles that one values above money.
    If you have moral principles about taking money for your product then you should not be in business. Go work for a charity or something.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, it doesn't, nor do I claim that it does. It says that Congress (and by incorporation under the Fourteenth Amendment, all other levels of government) cannot enact laws which needlessly violate the right to free practice of religion.
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    It's not correct to characterize this as one claiming a religious exemption from a law as it is that if the law conflicts with one's religious principles, then it was never a valid law in the first place.
    Owning a business is not exercising your religion.
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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, it doesn't, nor do I claim that it does. It says that Congress (and by incorporation under the Fourteenth Amendment, all other levels of government) cannot enact laws which needlessly violate the right to free practice of religion.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    It's not correct to characterize this as one claiming a religious exemption from a law as it is that if the law conflicts with one's religious principles, then it was never a valid law in the first place.
    The Supreme Court has clarified that by stating "Freedom of faith is absolute, freedom of actions is not". There are many things you cannot do because of your religion. Discrimination is only one of them.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Owning a business is not exercising your religion.
    No, but owning a business does not negate your First Amendment rights.
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