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Thread: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It was someone that applauded forcing a baker to supply a wedding in a debate a while ago but said here there was no reason to force a priest do a similar wedding. It seemed inconsistent.
    I believe the link you're missing is that these businesses agree to not discriminate as a requirement of being a licensed business.

    They enter those agreements voluntarily.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    No. There are lots of factories, bakeries and confectioners'. That is why forcing a baker that concientously objects to bake a cake for a gay wedding is so absurd.
    No one is forcing him to bake anything, he can close up shop anytime he wants. I hope those that conscientiously object to taking money from someone for his product would realize he is in the wrong line of work. You can't pick and choose your customers in a retail business. That would be absurd.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    I believe the link you're missing is that these businesses agree to not discriminate as a requirement of being a licensed business.

    They enter those agreements voluntarily.
    Not to mention that refusing money for your product is a sign you are not very good at running a business.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If you keep up with the news you'll see lots of inconsistent things happen in the USA.

    That's one thing that's consistent in the USA- inconsistency.
    That does not make it better; just more frequent.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    I believe the link you're missing is that these businesses agree to not discriminate as a requirement of being a licensed business.

    They enter those agreements voluntarily.
    That is not quite voluntary, if you cannot otherwise work in your profession. It's just another type of coercion.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No one is forcing him to bake anything, he can close up shop anytime he wants. I hope those that conscientiously object to taking money from someone for his product would realize he is in the wrong line of work. You can't pick and choose your customers in a retail business. That would be absurd.
    Yep. Force is always a good way to make people do things. Ask any slave.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That it is not fair to force bakers to serve gay marriage against there conscientious objection but not a priest. One sells cake and as you say the other sells faith. So why treat the one other than the other?
    One is a not-for-profit religious entity...the other is a for profit business entity functioning in the public square.

    They are treated differently because they absolutely are different.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform sick homosexual mockeries of marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Freedom of religion is not the same thing as freedom from all laws and regulations. The more you know...
    The Constitution is the highest law in this land. All other lesser laws and regulations are required to comply with it.

    The First Amendment, which is part of the Constitution, establishes rights to free speech, free press, freedom of religion, freedom of association, freedom of conscience, and freedom of expression. Lesser laws are not allowed to deny these rights.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No one is forcing him to bake anything, he can close up shop anytime he wants. I hope those that conscientiously object to taking money from someone for his product would realize he is in the wrong line of work. You can't pick and choose your customers in a retail business. That would be absurd.
    There is nothing in the Constitution which allows government to compel anyone to give up any of the rights established therein as a condition of being allowed to make an honest living.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Should churches be forced to perform gay marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Not to mention that refusing money for your product is a sign you are not very good at running a business.
    Or perhaps it is a sign that one has moral principles that one values above money.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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