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Thread: Does Alan Dershowitz protest too much?

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    Re: Does Alan Dershowitz protest too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Just as this thread will probably soon be.
    Really?

    Interesting.

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    Re: Does Alan Dershowitz protest too much?

    No, not interesting--rather, annoyingly repetitive. And embarrassing.

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    Re: Does Alan Dershowitz protest too much?

    Since it has been said that this thread will be removed, here's something else

    Alan Dershowitz tried to discredit girl who accused Jeffrey Epstein of rape | US news | The Guardian

    Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard University professor accused alongside Prince Andrew of having sexual relations with a teenage associate of their friend Jeffrey Epstein, was also involved in an effort to discredit a teenage girl who accused Epstein of rape.

    Dershowitz, who strongly denies the allegations about his own conduct, recruited private investigators to carry out inquiries on the girl while acting for Epstein’s defence team and sent police printed copies of her MySpace page, claiming it displayed a “fascination with marijuana”.

    The professor also suggested, in a letter obtained by the Guardian, that the girl may be pursuing Epstein, a wealthy banker, for his money, and that as a drama student, she was an expert in misleading people.
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    According to police files, she told investigators that when she was 16, Epstein forcibly had sex with her on a table at his mansion in Florida while she screamed at him to stop, after she had given him a massage. She alleged that Epstein went on to make her have sex with Nada Marcinkova, another female Epstein associate.

    AH told police that she suffered intimate injuries due to Epstein’s actions and that “she had difficulty walking to the car after leaving the house”. She said that Epstein paid her $1,000 and gave her a car soon after the alleged assault. A high school transcript for AH was found by police during a raid of Epstein’s mansion in Florida after allegations of abuse first surfaced.
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    Dershowitz wrote to Detective Joseph Recarey of Palm Beach police in 2006 after AH alleged through her attorneys that one of the defence legal team’s private investigators had impersonated a police officer while carrying out their inquiries. Denying that claim, Dershowitz complained that when they confronted AH, the investigators in fact received a “barrage of profanity” from “what initially appeared only to be a young woman of slight build and soft demeanour”.

    He claimed that the private investigators, Bill Riley and Steve Kiraly, were instructed beforehand to take a verbatim statement from AH “because we feared that she, an accomplished drama student, might try to mislead them as successfully as she had misled others”.

    The professor, who was assisting Epstein’s defence team, also enclosed a printout of AH’s MySpace page, noting to the detective that she had “chosen to go by the nickname of ‘pimp juice’” and made reference to a marijuana habit. He wrote that the private detectives had also been asked to confirm what were “the extreme lengths she would go to, as she put it, ‘to be rich, no, I mean really, really rich.’”
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    I wonder why a high school transcript for the girl would be at Epstein's home.

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    Re: Does Alan Dershowitz protest too much?

    This is interesting. The former West Palm Beach chief of police feels that Epstein got special treatment AND that a private investigator told him that Dershowitz ordered background checks of the police chief.

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    During Epstein’s term of “house arrest,” he made several trips each month to his New York home and his private Caribbean island. In the earlier stage of his sentence for soliciting prostitution with a minor—13 months in the Palm Beach Stockade—he was allowed out to his office each day. Meanwhile, Epstein has settled more than a dozen lawsuits brought by the underage girls who were recruited to perform “massages” at his Palm Beach mansion. Seven victims reached a last-minute deal last week, days before a scheduled trial; each received well over $1 million—an amount that will hardly dent Epstein’s $2 billion net worth.
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    With that, the known victims of Epstein’s sexual compulsion have been officially silenced, and the case against him is closed unless new ones come forward. According to banking sources, he has been moving assets out of the U.S. and may well follow Polanski into a luxurious exile.

    But the question remains: Did Epstein’s wealth and social connections—former President Bill Clinton; Prince Andrew; former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak; New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson; and former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers were just a few of the prominent passengers on his private jets—allow him to receive only a slap on the wrist for crimes that carry a mandatory 20-year sentence? Was he able, with his limitless assets and heavy-hitting lawyers—Alan Dershowitz, Gerald Lefcourt, Roy Black, Kenneth Starr, Guy Lewis, and Martin Weinberger among them—to escape equal justice?

    Michael Reiter, the former Palm Beach police chief, certainly thinks so. He gave The Daily Beast exclusive access to the transcript of his nine-hour deposition for the victims’ civil suits, in which he explained how the case against Epstein was minimized by the State Attorney’s Office, then bargained down by the U.S. Department of Justice, all in an atmosphere of hardball legal tactics and social pressures so intense that Reiter became estranged from several colleagues. At the time, Reiter, who retired in 2009 and now runs his own security firm, objected both to Epstein’s plea agreement and to the flexible terms of his incarceration in the county jail rather than state prison. Asked during the deposition whether he thought Epstein received special treatment, he answered “yes.”

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    For one, it was clear from the start that Epstein would spare no legal expense and that his team of veteran lawyers, whose cases ranged from O.J. Simpson to the investigation of Clinton’s relationship with an intern, would play rough. When the Palm Beach police started to identify victims, according to Detective Joe Recarey’s report, Dershowitz began sending the detective Facebook and MySpace posts to demonstrate that some of these girls were no angels. Reiter’s deposition also states that he heard from local private investigators that Dershowitz had launched background checks on both the police chief and Det. Recarey. Dershowitz denies all of that. According to Reiter, both he and Recarey also became aware that they were under surveillance for several months, without knowing who ordered it. And the Florida victims began to complain that they and family members were being followed and intimidated by private investigators who were then linked to local attorneys in Epstein’s employ. In one reported instance, the private investigator claimed to be a police officer, and Reiter considered filing witness-tampering charges.
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    Re: Does Alan Dershowitz protest too much?

    Oops! Forgot to include a link to the last article. It is very interesting reading

    Jeffrey Epstein, Billionaire Pedophile, Goes Free - The Daily Beast

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    Re: Does Alan Dershowitz protest too much?

    It appears that not all Jews feel obligated to support Dershowitz simply because he is Jewish. One person feels Jews have NO obligation to do such in part, because Dershowitz has spoken in support of Obama.

    Defending Dershowitz, To A Fault? | The Jewish Week

    Ronn Torossian, founder and the executive of 5W Public Relations, emails, “I do not believe he is a good spokesman for Israel or the Jewish people.”

    For example, writes Torossian, whose clients include those on the Jewish right, Dershowitz defends President Obama, speaks out against settlements, and “advocates for the discrimination of Jews when he proclaims that Jews should not live in Hebron,” the flammable yet holy West Bank city, from which Jews were driven out in 1929 before returning in 1967.

    Says Torossian, “As a proud Jew, I find the argument that [Dershowitz] should be protected because of his Jewishness to be despicable.” Torossian doubts Dershowitz even received all that many emails from anti-Semites, “but it is smart PR — sympathy does help when you are accused of rape.”
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    Re: Does Alan Dershowitz protest too much?

    Here's Ronn Torossian's piece.

    Defending Alan Dershowitz is Not a Jewish Issue | New York Observer

    Of course, because of the nature of who he is, those clients he has represented, and what he has been outspoken on, he has accumulated a decent sized following of haters. So, using the anti-Semitic messages he is said to have been receiving, of which he has certainly received many throughout his career prior to these allegations, is smart PR. Sympathy does help when you are accused of rape.

    Yet, Dershowitz’s assertion that Jews should support him, such as telling the Jerusalem Post, “I’m not only defending myself here but I am defending other values as well. I am defending the values that I have represented and stood for, for so many years” is, frankly, offensive.

    Maybe the values people are offended by include the fact that he got Michael Jackson, a child molester, off the hook, or that he served on the O.J. Simpson dream team that saw to the acquittal of an “alleged” double homicide suspect.

    And then there are the many in the Jewish community who disagree with his viewpoints on our people. He is wrong to support a Palestinian State, and other Jewish believers differ from his viewpoint that is highly “skeptical about the Torah’s divine origins.” As Mitchell Bard, an American foreign policy expert and author has said, Mr. Dershowitz has suggested that “Jews should be more like Quakers who are ‘less concerned about mixed marriages, more willing to share their message without conditions or conversions, more confident that they have something positive to offer in the marketplace of ideas.’” Controversial ideas at best.

    Like I said before, I have no idea whether Alan Dershowitz is guilty, and he should be given the same benefits that the American justice system guarantees to all. I simply know that defending him is not and should not be a Jewish issue.

    As a proud Jew, I find the argument that he should be protected because of his Jewishness to be despicable.

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    Re: Does Alan Dershowitz protest too much?

    Ahhhhh. That's pretty much what I was wondering- if this was a Jewish issue for you, or a Dershowitz issue, or a question of legal issues wrt the question of thinking someone is innocent until proven guilty.
    It appears that it's a Jewish thing in your mind. That's all fine and good, but to me, it's an issue of the law.

    I've never been a huge fan of Dershowitz, but in this case, I have no idea what his status of guilt or innocence is. I hope it isn't true, because in spite of my ideological differences with the man, I have never seen evidence that he was of poor character. I guess we'll see, as time allows the evidence to be presented.
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    Re: Does Alan Dershowitz protest too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Ahhhhh. That's pretty much what I was wondering- if this was a Jewish issue for you, or a Dershowitz issue, or a question of legal issues wrt the question of thinking someone is innocent until proven guilty.
    It appears that it's a Jewish thing in your mind. That's all fine and good, but to me, it's an issue of the law.

    I've never been a huge fan of Dershowitz, but in this case, I have no idea what his status of guilt or innocence is. I hope it isn't true, because in spite of my ideological differences with the man, I have never seen evidence that he was of poor character. I guess we'll see, as time allows the evidence to be presented.
    Although it is not entirely a Jewish issue, the fact that he is a rather prominent Jew and that he has spoken out forcefully on Jewish issues, means that it is of interest how Jews will react, AND whether or not the fact that he is Jewish will have an effect on the court of public opinion. It's just like Bill Cosby. Will black people support Cosby simply because he is black? That was a big issue in the O J Simpson trial as well.

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    Re: Does Alan Dershowitz protest too much?

    At this point, there's no evidence against him and it's just another run-of-the-mill scandal that Dershowitz has been caught up in because of his friends/clients, who appear to be the primary focus of any civil suits/criminal investigations.

    A fat lot of nothing, basically.

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