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Should Alan Dershowitz be suspended from the practice of law?

Should Alan Dershowitz be suspended from the practice of law?

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  • No

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You're the one who keeps posting that Dershowitz is Jewish. Lizzie has nothing to do with what you keep posting. Own your posts.

Yes I said it and will continue to say it. Yes he is Jewish. And while you have a problem with me noting that, you don't appear to have the same problem when I note black NFL players. It is noteworthy that he is a high profile Jewish lawyer because Jewish lawyers such as Dershowitz and Lanny Davis have a reputation, well deserved I might add, for being some of the best lawyers that can be found. Therefore it is suitable to note that Davis is a Jewish lawyer, because the public has a very different image of a high profile Jewish lawyer than a BLACK NFL player.

Dershowitz is a role model for who specifically?

Deshowitz is a very public figure who has been very vocal in his support of liberal causes and in his support of Israel. He is very frequently seen on major network TV to give expert opinion. As such, he is a powerful influence on public opinion, and is one of the few people that has influenced my thinking on some issues. He is a very intelligent person. Therefore he is most certainly, because of his very visible public role, a role model for youth.
 
I wonder if Queen Liz will suspend him from his busy duties launching ships and paying for his daughters' ugly hats?

A few bad hats has to be expected of the two young ladies with Andrew and Fergie as their parents/role models. It's a testament to their inner strength that they aren't both drug addled suicides by now.
 
Yes I said it and will continue to say it. Yes he is Jewish. And while you have a problem with me noting that, you don't appear to have the same problem when I note black NFL players. It is noteworthy that he is a high profile Jewish lawyer because Jewish lawyers such as Dershowitz and Lanny Davis have a reputation, well deserved I might add, for being some of the best lawyers that can be found. Therefore it is suitable to note that Davis is a Jewish lawyer, because the public has a very different image of a high profile Jewish lawyer than a BLACK NFL player.



Deshowitz is a very public figure who has been very vocal in his support of liberal causes and in his support of Israel. He is very frequently seen on major network TV to give expert opinion. As such, he is a powerful influence on public opinion, and is one of the few people that has influenced my thinking on some issues. He is a very intelligent person. Therefore he is most certainly, because of his very visible public role, a role model for youth.

So what does him being Jewish have to do with anything? If he was a Christian lawyer, would that be any different?

Supporting Israel makes him a role model for young American children? Interesting. Never heard that one before. Is growing up to support Israel something that many American youth aspire to? And do they get to practice support of Israel in a team sport? How much money does one make supporting Israel? By the way, I have kids. They all watch football. None of them watch TV to get people's opinions on Israel. Maybe your kids are avid watchers of Israeli opinion providers. I can't name a single one myself.
 
A few bad hats has to be expected of the two young ladies with Andrew and Fergie as their parents/role models. It's a testament to their inner strength that they aren't both drug addled suicides by now.

Or avid toe suckers.
 
NFL personnel policy is not law and if the NFL made whistling in public into a taboo (suspendible?) act it would not "naturally" carry over into all of US society. Just get the silly thought out of your head that what the NFL adopts as its personnel policy somehow becomes "the law of the land".

What are you talking about? No one said it should be the law of the land to suspend someone from the practice of law for mere allegations. Please make some sense.

You wish to prove some nonsense premise (America and/or the NFL is racist?) by making this particular apples to cinder blocks comparison in yet another thread.

No that is a distortion. What I am saying is that the NFL has adopted the harsh policy of suspending NFL players for mere allegations in order to combat the image in the mind of the public that black NFL players are thugs. The reason however is that it is because NFL players are public figures and role models and should therefore be held to a higher standard. My point is that if that is the case, a public figure and role model such as Alan Dershowitz should be held to the same high standards, and given who he is and how intelligent he is, one would expect that he would be held to a higher standard.

Just as the bar association has no say in setting NFL policy/rules the NFL has no pull concerning the personnel policy for lawyers or any other public figures.

So? The harsh NFL policy was the result of public outrage. Why doesn't the public expect Mr Dershowitz to be held to the same standard as NFL players.
 
It is alleged that Alan Dershowitz had sex with a minor, a felony. Dershowitz is a prominent public figure, he regularly appears on major network media as an expert, is a prominent and very vocal supporter of Israel, and is a high profile, liberal Jewish lawyer. Because he such a prominent public figure, he serves as a role model for youth.

The think is this, NFL players are suspended for mere allegations of misconduct, and the reason given is that it is because they are public figures and therefore serve as role models for youth. However, although it is not officially stated, there is also the perception among the public that black NFL players are thugs which the NFL is trying to combat which is why they have implemented such harsh punishment for mere allegations.

The question is therefore this, should not Alan Dershowitz be temporarily suspended from the practice of law since he is such a high profile public figure? Or is it that the underlying negative racial stereotypes about black NFL players have resulted in double standards?

I am not sure if he should be decertified from practicing law (and as far as I know nobody suggested those sports players should be prevented from being rehired to playing in the minor leagues, which would be the closest equivalent to debarring a lawyer), but he could certainly be fired for the same reasons the sports people were.
 
What are you talking about? No one said it should be the law of the land to suspend someone from the practice of law for mere allegations. Please make some sense.



No that is a distortion. What I am saying is that the NFL has adopted the harsh policy of suspending NFL players for mere allegations in order to combat the image in the mind of the public that black NFL players are thugs. The reason however is that it is because NFL players are public figures and role models and should therefore be held to a higher standard. My point is that if that is the case, a public figure and role model such as Alan Dershowitz should be held to the same high standards, and given who he is and how intelligent he is, one would expect that he would be held to a higher standard.



So? The harsh NFL policy was the result of public outrage. Why doesn't the public expect Mr Dershowitz to be held to the same standard as NFL players.

What was Dershowitz arrested for?

Or do you think being accused in a lawsuit is the same thing as an arrest. By the way, you do know that Rice and Peterson were arrested, yes? For crimes, by the police. Crimes caught on camera. Crimes with photographic evidence of victims. Not lawsuits by Jane Doe #3.
 
That is the point. NFL players are suspended for mere allegations.

And video and photographic evidence, and admissions of wrongdoings on their parts. What evidence do you have against Dershowitz? Are you Jane Doe #3.....and do you have pictures to share?
 
The answer is still no, you have failed to show the double standard and have used two examples that have nothing to do with each other.

I honestly fail to understand why you do not see the double standard here. Actually I think it's ridiculous to hold NFL players to a higher standard than someone like Dershowitz. Dershowitz is a smart guy and has influence on things that are really meaningful. If anything Dershowitz should be held to a higher standard.
 
The op has been trying, since yesterday, to make the case that dershowitz is being treated better because he is white and Jewish, and that if he were black, he would lose his status and his job.

I am not so sure about that. It seems that the point is more that since the NFL has personnel policy X (suspension for certain "alleged" conduct) then that personnel policy X should apply to all "public figures" that are seen (by anyone?) as "role models". Just as the UCMJ applies only to service personnel, the NFL policy applies only to NFL personnel but he refuses to "get" that distinction and sees "unfairness" in treating anyone differently. Equal protection of the law applies only to the law; it is completely acceptable for company X to fire folks for missing a shift and completely acceptable for company Y to not do so. What the NFL chooses to do has no bearing on what any other employer does (or does not) choose to do.
 
I honestly fail to understand why you do not see the double standard here. Actually I think it's ridiculous to hold NFL players to a higher standard than someone like Dershowitz. Dershowitz is a smart guy and has influence on things that are really meaningful. If anything Dershowitz should be held to a higher standard.

I think the same standard would be to fire Dershowitz not decertify him. Am I mistaken in thinking that none of the recent sports managers or players were barred from their prospective organizations such as the NFL?
 
That is the point. NFL players are suspended for mere allegations.

You keep saying this, but what NFL players were suspended for mere allegations? Name a few.

It's not Ray Rice, because he wasn't suspended until after his criminal case was settled with charges dropped and acceptance of treatment and parole by Rice. After that decision, he and his wife met with the commissioner, told their story, and he suspended Rice one game - once the tape came out, the suspension grew - but it wasn't still an allegation.

It's not Adrian Peterson, because he wasn't suspended - the league left it up to the Vikings until the court case was concluded. Once Peterson pleaded to the lesser charge, the Vikings and the league suspended him.

So who are all these black NFL players who are wrongly being suspended?
 
No - I don't think it's right for anyone to be suspended for mere allegations [because anyone - at any time - can allege anything against someone] UNLESS those allegations directly relate to their job performance.

Like - a school teacher being accused of child molestation. I'd be in full support of suspending them from duty as a school teacher because it directly relates to their daily job activities.

So for an NFL player to be suspended the allegations would have to directly relate to their position as a sports figure. [harming another player - juicing - etc]
For a lawyer to be suspended the allegations would have to directly relate to their position as a lawyer. [having a liaison with the judge - etc]

Well you are consistent and if you believe that, I cannot defend against your position.
 
Well you are consistent and if you believe that, I cannot defend against your position.

What's there to defend?

Do you think it would be just for some schlepper off the street to accuse you of a crime and then have that immediately - upon that accusation being presented - have that uppend YOUR career?

It's absurd to suggest that we punish people before they're even given the opportunity to defend their self legally. It really would just aid in libel and slander by putting far too much strength in the 'false accusations' department.
 
That is the point. NFL players are suspended for mere allegations.

I don't agree with that, but that just impacts your contract. There may be no legal issues associated with it at all eventually.
 
What was Dershowitz arrested for?

Who said he was arrested.

Or do you think being accused in a lawsuit is the same thing as an arrest.

No I don't. Do you think that being arrested means that you are guilty?

By the way, you do know that Rice and Peterson were arrested, yes? For crimes, by the police.

Yes I know that. Do you think that being arrested for a crime means that you are guilty of a crime?

Crimes caught on camera. Crimes with photographic evidence of victims.

I really don't think you want to attempt to try the case here in this forum.

Not lawsuits by Jane Doe #3.

Ok, let's look at it like that. Let me ask you this, what if Dershowitz is arrested for having sex with a minor. Do you think that he should then be suspended from the practice of law?
 
If the story of the allegations are true, it's disgusting and all involved should be in jail. I think while it is being investigated he should be temporarily suspended from practicing law. I can't stand lawyers who defend people like Epstein, and while that's not a crime it just shows what kind of a person he is.

Actually I really used to look up to Dershowitz until he got Finkelstein fired. It was at that point I realized the type of person that he is. That said, he is a lawyer and what you mentioned is the type of thing that they do. However I agree, it is disgusting.
 
Who said he was arrested.



No I don't. Do you think that being arrested means that you are guilty?



Yes I know that. Do you think that being arrested for a crime means that you are guilty of a crime?



I really don't think you want to attempt to try the case here in this forum.



Ok, let's look at it like that. Let me ask you this, what if Dershowitz is arrested for having sex with a minor. Do you think that he should then be suspended from the practice of law?

Let me know when Dershowitz is arrested for anything. Rice was arrested...his crime was caught on camera. He admitted to wrongdoing. He pled out. He can come back to the NFL. Peterson's son's injuries were photographed. Peterson admitted to hitting him. It's against the law to inflict injuries on your child. It's against the law to assault your fiancée in an elevator. So as soon as Dershowitz has been arrested and/or admits to wrongdoing, and there is evidence that he committed a crime, he should be punished. Until then, your failed attempt to compare him to NFL players is just that...failed.

PS Being Jewish isn't a crime either.
 

It does appear to me that you want to defend Dershowitz.

That does not take away from the point is that NFL players, as well as Dershowitz are both public figures are role models, and should be held to the same standards of behavior. And again, if anything, Dershowitz should be held to a higher standard.
 
Actually I really used to look up to Dershowitz until he got Finkelstein fired. It was at that point I realized the type of person that he is. That said, he is a lawyer and what you mentioned is the type of thing that they do. However I agree, it is disgusting.

That's why I could never be that kind of lawyer.
 
What are you talking about? No one said it should be the law of the land to suspend someone from the practice of law for mere allegations. Please make some sense.



No that is a distortion. What I am saying is that the NFL has adopted the harsh policy of suspending NFL players for mere allegations in order to combat the image in the mind of the public that black NFL players are thugs. The reason however is that it is because NFL players are public figures and role models and should therefore be held to a higher standard. My point is that if that is the case, a public figure and role model such as Alan Dershowitz should be held to the same high standards, and given who he is and how intelligent he is, one would expect that he would be held to a higher standard.



So? The harsh NFL policy was the result of public outrage. Why doesn't the public expect Mr Dershowitz to be held to the same standard as NFL players.

You keep repeating that same nonsense that black NFL players are seen as "thugs" while also calling them "role models". The two images are exact opposites and even you should "get" that. When asked for a supporting link (to NFL players being perceived as thugs) you produced a single opinion piece about a single player (Sherman?) who was never accused of any crime and that was not suspended - one would assume only because that single story hit on a Google search of NFL player + thug.

The NFL personnel policy CHANGE was adopted because the NFL was facing (reasonable?) public objection to letting violent criminals (domestic and child abusers) play for NFL teams while suspending folks for merely smoking weed (facing no criminal charges at all) - which even you must admit made no sense (weed is not a performance enhancing drug). The NFL sells image, gets huge advertising (media) revenue and those NFL players are their front line representatives, therefore the NFL seeks to present the appearance of caring about their player's personal conduct both on and off the playing field.
 
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