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Should concealing your identity in public be a crime?

Should concealing your identity in public be a crime?

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Fearandloathing said:
Will the no hood law apply to the Klan members too?
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There is already a law on the books regarding Klan members if they are committing a crime while being disguised. It has been around since the 1920s.

OSCN Found Document:Masks and Hoods - Unlawful to Wear - Exceptions

It shall be unlawful for any person in this state to wear a mask, hood or covering, which conceals the identity of the wearer during the commission of a crime or for the purpose of coercion, intimidation or harassment; provided, the provisions of Section 1301 et seq. of this title shall not apply to the pranks of children on Halloween, to those going to, or from, or participating in masquerade parties, to those participating in any public parade or exhibition of an educational, religious or historical character, to those participating in any meeting of any organization within any building or enclosure wholly within and under the control of said organization, and to those participating in the parades or exhibitions of minstrel troupes, circuses or other amusements or dramatic shows. Any person, or persons, violating the provisions of this section, shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not less than Fifty Dollars ($50.00) nor more than Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), or by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of not exceeding one (1) year, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Will the no hood law apply to the Klan members too?

WTF? Freedom includes being told what to wear? It seemed to me the US was 13 years in Afghanistan to end governments who force people to wear ****, now it's to prevent crime.

Oh yeah...pardon me while I have a laughing fit
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Actually, according to the article, it was originally put in place to specifically apply to the KKK.
 
rocket88 said:
What I find interesting is that it bans hoods "while committing crimes." Like a criminal would be like, "Whoops, better take off the hoodie, wouldn't want to break the law while I'm breaking the law."
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That's one of those crimes that's there really to give the prosecutor something else to charge you with along with whatever else you did.

Edit: i voted no. It's all kinds of wrong for all kinds of reasons.
 
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jamesrage said:
Should concealing your identity in public be a crime/illegal?
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So if I'm in public and some random stranger wants to have a look at my driver's license, you're arguing that I should be arrested if I make any attempt to conceal my identity since we're in public?

Did you already by a t-shirt with your social security number on it?
 
It's depressing how many people commented without reading the actual bill.
 
Hell no. The fact that this is even being considered is ridiculous to me.
 
HonestJoe said:
It's depressing how many people commented without reading the actual bill.
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I admit to not reading it though the question in the OP wasn't "do you agree with the law", rather it was "should concealing your identity in public be a crime".


Having now read it it's one of those "concealing one's identity while committing a crime" statutes. I would point out that the law is drafted weirdly. It says that wearing a mask while committing a crime or harrassing someone is a crime but then lists a number of exceptions that weren't being criminalized in any case. Might just be that the drafters are sloppy or stupid - wouldn't be first time. Strange.
 
Gaius46 said:
I admit to not reading it though the question in the OP wasn't "do you agree with the law", rather it was "should concealing your identity in public be a crime".
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There are several posts directly referring to the law talking about things like it singling out hoodies (which was a media invention) or being targeted at Muslim dress (which is specifically excluded). It's the usual presumptive reactions you see in so many threads, I just happened to be inspired to mention it here.

Gaius46 said:
Having now read it it's one of those "concealing one's identity while committing a crime" statutes. I would point out that the law is drafted weirdly. It says that wearing a mask while committing a crime or harrassing someone is a crime but then lists a number of exceptions that weren't being criminalized in any case. Might just be that the drafters are sloppy or stupid - wouldn't be first time. Strange.
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The legislation was originally focused on concealing identify while committing a crime but the article was about an admittedly questionable amendment to add a second clause criminalising intentionally concealing your identity in general (though with a whole load of exceptions).

It doesn't strike me as especially weirdly written as legislative documentation go, not to say that isn't weird anyway. :)
 
Gaius46 said:
That's one of those crimes that's there really to give the prosecutor something else to charge you with along with whatever else you did.

Edit: i voted no. It's all kinds of wrong for all kinds of reasons.
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That does seem to be the strategy these days... throw a bunch of scheit against the wall and *something* is sure to stick.
 
rocket88 said:
What I find interesting is that it bans hoods "while committing crimes." Like a criminal would be like, "Whoops, better take off the hoodie, wouldn't want to break the law while I'm breaking the law."
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It seems utterly asinine on the surface of it, but as has almost certainly pointed out by now, it just appears to be another premise that will give police the power to search and arrest "urban youths" on probable cause (and to add to the prosecutor's bag of charges in court).
 
Gaius46 said:
I admit to not reading it though the question in the OP wasn't "do you agree with the law", rather it was "should concealing your identity in public be a crime".


Having now read it it's one of those "concealing one's identity while committing a crime" statutes. I would point out that the law is drafted weirdly. It says that wearing a mask while committing a crime or harrassing someone is a crime but then lists a number of exceptions that weren't being criminalized in any case. Might just be that the drafters are sloppy or stupid - wouldn't be first time. Strange.
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I 100% agree with your post, and I did the same thing :lol: I didn't read the law at first.

This law was drafted by someone who was drunk. My assumption.
 
Interesting, not one legitimate yes vote. Looks like the Gestapo struck out again.
 
Navy Pride said:
Interesting, not one legitimate yes vote. Looks like the Gestapo struck out again.
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Navy, can you believe we are all agreeing on something? It's amazing.
 
Cardinal said:
Politicians aren't elected for being weak on crime.
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But when people think "I want someone to be tough on crime" they don't think "I want it to be illegal to wear a hoodie."

I sometimes wear a full face mask when skiing. That's why it's often called a ski mask. It's Minnesota. It's ****in cold outside and I'm going like a bat out of hell down this hill. I'd prefer the skin on my face to stay on my face when I go back inside, so I wear a mask.
 
Deuce said:
But when people think "I want someone to be tough on crime" they don't think "I want it to be illegal to wear a hoodie."
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No, but they should be thinking that. We don't have the war on drugs, minimum sentencing laws, three strikes you're out, asset forfeiture, prison violence and massive recidivism because we keep voting for the guy who stands for progressive and rehabilitative criminal justice policies. Sure, you'll get a candidate who stands for progressive policies now and again, and then the other guy tells everybody his opponent is lenient on criminals and if elected everybody's families will be murdered and raped in their sleep. That manner of campaigning is successful, people want it, and voila, hoodies are illegal (but only during a crime, of course).

If you don't want ridiculous and regressive laws, stop rewarding the crazies spouting tough-on-crime rhetoric.

Deuce said:
I sometimes wear a full face mask when skiing. That's why it's often called a ski mask. It's Minnesota. It's ****in cold outside and I'm going like a bat out of hell down this hill. I'd prefer the skin on my face to stay on my face when I go back inside, so I wear a mask.
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Then I would advise that you not jaywalk while visiting Oklahoma in the winter.
 
Cardinal said:
No, but they should be thinking that. We don't have the war on drugs, minimum sentencing laws, three strikes you're out, asset forfeiture, prison violence and massive recidivism because we keep voting for the guy who stands for progressive and rehabilitative criminal justice policies. Sure, you'll get a candidate who stands for progressive policies now and again, and then the other guy tells everybody his opponent is lenient on criminals and if elected everybody's families will be murdered and raped in their sleep. That manner of campaigning is successful, people want it, and voila, hoodies are illegal (but only during a crime, of course).

If you don't want ridiculous and regressive laws, stop rewarding the crazies spouting tough-on-crime rhetoric.



Then I would advise that you not jaywalk while visiting Oklahoma in the winter.
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You are conflating "tough on crime" with insanity like this, and there's no particular reason that needs to be true. "Arrest everyone with a hoodie" is not the will of the voter so you shouldn't go claiming the voter's wishes are what's bringing this.
 
Deuce said:
You are conflating "tough on crime" with insanity like this, and there's no particular reason that needs to be true. "Arrest everyone with a hoodie" is not the will of the voter so you shouldn't go claiming the voter's wishes are what's bringing this.
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Deuce, do you think the town councilman elected on a platform of drug rehabilitation, increased education in prison, job training and less severe sentencing would have proposed outlawing the hoodie, or do you think that came from the guy whose campaign rhetoric would have made Genghis Khan cringe? You want to think that the rhetoric and nutcase laws like these can be separate, but that's simply wishful thinking.
 
As for his other positions, Don Barrington opposed drug legalization and called his opponent "soft on crime," and wanted women to undergo forced ultrasounds before considering an abortion.

Ten minutes into writing this post: Okay, seriously, where are this guy's quotes, where's his website, where's news clippings of his campaign, where's his campaign speeches? Was he just spontaneous birthed from the womb of hell fully grown one dark and rainy day? Before the hoodie story it's like this guy practically never existed.

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Cardinal said:
Deuce, do you think the town councilman elected on a platform of drug rehabilitation, increased education in prison, job training and less severe sentencing would have proposed outlawing the hoodie, or do you think that came from the guy whose campaign rhetoric would have made Genghis Khan cringe? You want to think that the rhetoric and nutcase laws like these can be separate, but that's simply wishful thinking.
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Which guy's rhetoric would make Genghis Khan cringe? Which specific language?
 
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