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Should concealing your identity in public be a crime?

Should concealing your identity in public be a crime?

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jamesrage

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Should concealing your identity in public be a crime/illegal?


Yes
No


Wearing your hoodie in public could soon cost you up to a $500 fine | KFOR.com
OKLAHOMA CITY,Okla.-The cold Oklahoma weather has many sporting hoodies outside to help fight the cold, but wearing a hood in a public place could soon be against the law.

The idea of banning hoods is not new to Oklahoma, right now, there is a law banning hoods during crimes that’s been around since the 20’s.
It was originally drafted to help combat crimes from the Klu-Klux-Klan, but people we spoke with say a new amendment of banning hoodies in public could open doors to a bigger problem.
They’re a common closet find, the hoodie.
“I’ve been wearing hoodies since I was a little kid,” Eduar Carreon, a hoodie user said.
Even Kevin Durant is a hoodie fan.
“If somebody is out running, especially in this kind of weather, where it`s cold, drizzly, you might be inclined to wear your hoodie at Lake Hefner,” attorney James Siderias said.
“21 OS 1301 has always made it a crime to wear a hoodie or some sort of disguise during the commission of criminal offense,” Siderias says.
Now, a proposal for an amendment to that law, could make it illegal to hide your identity in public. The fine for your fashion crime? $500.
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I say no.It is none of the government's damn business what I look like in public.Sure if I am testifying in court,at bank, getting a driver's license or some other similar thing my identity should not be concealed.
 
I say no. No where in the Constitution is the notion that the government has the right to force you to be easier to identify. But for other reasons I suspect this will get challenged in short order.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I say no. No where in the Constitution is the notion that the government has the right to force you to be easier to identify. But for other reasons I suspect this will get challenged in short order.
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Actually that would fall under the 10th amendment, however banning clothing would be a violation of the 1st amendment
 
What I find interesting is that it bans hoods "while committing crimes." Like a criminal would be like, "Whoops, better take off the hoodie, wouldn't want to break the law while I'm breaking the law."
 
All sorts of potential for abuse here: wearing a motorcycle helmet, wearing a halloween costume, wearing a welding mask, a patient wearing bandages, a shopping mall Santa Claus, an actor/actress in costume/make-up or simply being inside a car with tinted windows all make it more difficult to determine identity.
 
Hoods are already banned inside banks here in Illinois--and I support that law--drop the hoods in a building.

But outside, we'll have a wind chill factor of -20 tonight here in North Central Illinois.

Hoods help to secure ear phones and a bad hair day.

This is most certainly an excuse to profile .
 
Especially needing tinted windows where you live in Texas and the whole southwest with your brutal heat .

ttwtt78640 said:
All sorts of potential for abuse here: wearing a motorcycle helmet, wearing a halloween costume, wearing a welding mask, a patient wearing bandages, a shopping mall Santa Claus, an actor/actress in costume/make-up or simply being inside a car with tinted windows all make it more difficult to determine identity.
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jamesrage said:
Should concealing your identity in public be a crime/illegal?


Yes
No


Wearing your hoodie in public could soon cost you up to a $500 fine | KFOR.com





I say no.It is none of the government's damn business what I look like in public.Sure if I am testifying in court,at bank, getting a driver's license or some other similar thing my identity should not be concealed.
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I agree with your take on it. I must admit that I wonder if this is some sort of move on the part of those doing this, to try and have support for banning Muslim head wraps, if they determine it's needed at some point in the future.
 
Singling out hoodies especially makes this seem more like a move against black youths, to give police even more ability to stop and search people based on their appearance. This is not acceptable.

lizzie said:
I agree with your take on it. I must admit that I wonder if this is some sort of move on the part of those doing this, to try and have support for banning Muslim head wraps, if they determine it's needed at some point in the future.
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Maybe this, too.
 
Crovax said:
Actually that would fall under the 10th amendment, however banning clothing would be a violation of the 1st amendment
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We are not saying anything in disagreement, just multiple paths to the same conclusion.
 
jamesrage said:
Should concealing your identity in public be a crime/illegal?


Yes
No


Wearing your hoodie in public could soon cost you up to a $500 fine | KFOR.com





I say no.It is none of the government's damn business what I look like in public.Sure if I am testifying in court,at bank, getting a driver's license or some other similar thing my identity should not be concealed.
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You should not be fined if you have on a one knit hole balaclava or a hoodie up, but if you enter businesses you should be forced to show your face to prevent robbery of shops and businesses.
 
Paschendale said:
Singling out hoodies especially makes this seem more like a move against black youths, to give police even more ability to stop and search people based on their appearance. This is not acceptable.
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If it is a crime, there is no pretext needed. Youths, yes. Black, no.
 
Couldn't vote yes or no. Would vote "sometimes". This appears to be the standard excessive and all encompassing law to cover what is sometimes a problem and often not. It is a law that does exactly what most wouldn't tolerate if guns were made illegal because some are used in crimes. I don't want to get stopped for wearing a balaclava in cold weather because a thief once wore one while committing a crime, but I also don't want people to routinely travel around completely hidden by their outfit in situations where they are intentionally hiding their identity. Some common sense is needed. Even if the law is intended to be used in specific circumstances then it's the sort of law that will be struck down by the courts.
 
Peter King said:
You should not be fined if you have on a one knit hole balaclava or a hoodie up, but if you enter businesses you should be forced to show your face to prevent robbery of shops and businesses.
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I can agree with that.A business owner should be allowed to dictate if someone can or can not come into their business concealed.
 
lizzie said:
I agree with your take on it. I must admit that I wonder if this is some sort of move on the part of those doing this, to try and have support for banning Muslim head wraps, if they determine it's needed at some point in the future.
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According the article there are exceptions for religious garments.
 
jamesrage said:
I can agree with that.A business owner should be allowed to dictate if someone can or can not come into their business concealed.
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People coming into a gas station should always be mandated to be identifiable. Safety for staff should always be paramount. But when walking in the street, minding your own business, the government should not be able to force you to not where a hoodie or wear a balaclava. Because if someone wears a scarf to protect themselves from the cold that could also be seen as concealment of identity. Only when people take part in a public protest, then the government should be able to tell people to not hide their faces during a protest or face arrest. If someone goes to a protest march with a balaclava on and gloves then that person is possibly there for more than just peaceful demonstrating.
 
its amazing and sad what the politicians waste time and money on . . .
also Senator Don Barrington? correct me if im wrong hasnt he said or has been rumored to say things in the past that i didnt read or voted no on a bill solely because his church wouldn't approve? "if" so, yeah he is already an established moron
 
I think it is interesting that 141 people have voted at the time of my post, the vote is almost 50/50 but only people who are against it in some way are the ones voting. I voted no myself.
 
Amandi said:
I think it is interesting that 141 people have voted at the time of my post, the vote is almost 50/50 but only people who are against it in some way are the ones voting. I voted no myself.
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no theres a poll spammer going around spamming polls, this is why only public polls are good and you can see actual votes and disregard the anonymous ones.

it used to be only like abortion, gay rights and gun polls would typically be spammed but now some troll is getting off on spamming all polls

the real count is currently:
0 no votes
19 yes votes

the mods will probably eventually fix this troll or make polls only votable by registered members or something
 
rocket88 said:
What I find interesting is that it bans hoods "while committing crimes." Like a criminal would be like, "Whoops, better take off the hoodie, wouldn't want to break the law while I'm breaking the law."
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No kidding.

I can see it now... "We arrested him because he was wearing a hoodie, and naturally we thought he was about to commit a crime."
 
jamesrage said:
Should concealing your identity in public be a crime/illegal?


Yes
No


Wearing your hoodie in public could soon cost you up to a $500 fine | KFOR.com





I say no.It is none of the government's damn business what I look like in public.Sure if I am testifying in court,at bank, getting a driver's license or some other similar thing my identity should not be concealed.
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Will the no hood law apply to the Klan members too?

WTF? Freedom includes being told what to wear? It seemed to me the US was 13 years in Afghanistan to end governments who force people to wear ****, now it's to prevent crime.

Oh yeah...pardon me while I have a laughing fit
 
Fearandloathing said:
Will the no hood law apply to the Klan members too?

WTF? Freedom includes being told what to wear? It seemed to me the US was 13 years in Afghanistan to end governments who force people to wear ****, now it's to prevent crime.

Oh yeah...pardon me while I have a laughing fit
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Oh, we (the US) are such hypocrites.
 
Don't forget to outlaw gloves, as they conceal fingerprints.
 
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