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Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

Is the American left becoming more and more authoritarian?


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Only to the extreme left fringe. But hey, at least you aren't claiming he's right wing, thats always amusing to see.

Obama is an American liberal that is often forced to run counter to his inclinations, like most Presidents. He's not an extreme Left-winger, nor particularly a centrist. He was somewhat prevented from moving forward with closing Guantanamo, couldn't quite pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan as quickly as he would have desired without significant consequences both at home and abroad, if he could have I think he would have pushed harder for single-payer healthcare, and so forth.
 
Obama is an American liberal that is often forced to run counter to his inclinations, like most Presidents. He's not an extreme Left-winger, nor particularly a centrist. He was somewhat prevented from moving forward with closing Guantanamo, couldn't quite pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan as quickly as he would have desired without significant consequences both at home and abroad, if he could have I think he would have pushed harder for single-payer healthcare, and so forth.

So do we agree that he is indeed a left winger (even if not extreme)?
 
Thats correct, but not extreme positions. Obama simply is not a centrist, reference the last mid term.

When a policy has been implemented for nearly a century, it can no longer be considered politically extreme. Bailing out big corporations/banks, starting pointless wars, drug prohibition, central banking, growing the power of the executive branch, etc. has been the status quo for a while now.
 
So do we agree that he is indeed a left winger (even if not extreme)?

Alright, let's parse this out further.

In terms of American spectrum, Obama is a liberal. However, in America a "leftist" would start to be more of Bernie Sanders rather than an Edward Kennedy.
 
Alright, let's parse this out further.

In terms of American spectrum, Obama is a liberal. However, in America a "leftist" would start to be more of Bernie Sanders rather than an Edward Kennedy.

So hes not particularly centrist, not far left, and not right wing. I'd say that leaves him as a solid leftist.
 
So hes not particularly centrist, not far left, and not right wing. I'd say that leaves him as a solid leftist.

A solid leftist would tend to be a Democratic Socialist like Sanders, which Obama is not. Obama is just a liberal who had to make compromised positions in the face of opposition.
 
When a policy has been implemented for nearly a century, it can no longer be considered politically extreme. Bailing out big corporations/banks, starting pointless wars, drug prohibition, central banking, growing the power of the executive branch, etc. has been the status quo for a while now.

It certainly can. Anarchists were extreme a century ago, and they still are. Its amazing watching the hoops you jump through. Obama is a lefty, not a centrist-just own it.
 
A solid leftist would tend to be a Democratic Socialist like Sanders, which Obama is not. Obama is just a liberal who had to make compromised positions in the face of opposition.

So in your view, is Obama a leftist, centrist, or right winger? This is taking way too long. :doh
 
If he is you better tell your buddies trying with a straight face to argue he's a centrist or even right winger. Its amusing. :lol:

He would be in the context of an international measurement.
 
So in your view, is Obama a leftist, centrist, or right winger? This is taking way too long. :doh

Like I said, I think he's an American liberal, but not an American Leftist.
 
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Heres the spectrum...

LW....Centrist....RW

Where is Obama?

Although I do not think your spectrum really captures it, I will play with your spectrum. He would be on the Left as you would be on the Right.
 
Funny I remember Obama being against gay marriage until it was politically convenient, and re-signing the Patriot act after greatly expanding it. I think the left changed in the 1960's. If you think the American Right is at all comparable to the Taliban-you might be a lefty. How did you vote?

The Conservative Right is nothng like the Taliban. The Taliban actually ran a country. The Conservative agenda has never been applied in any country and with good reason. It sucks and isn't never will be a viable way to run modern country.
Now that we have our country back on track after the last "compassionate conservative" clown brought it all down, the last thing we will do is let them behind the wheel again.
 
Have they ever been otherwise ?

To me its no. Not because they are not but rather they have been pegged authortarian as long as I can remember and from what history I see, were jyst so forever.
 
The Conservative Right is nothng like the Taliban. The Taliban actually ran a country. The Conservative agenda has never been applied in any country and with good reason. It sucks and isn't never will be a viable way to run modern country.
Now that we have our country back on track after the last "compassionate conservative" clown brought it all down, the last thing we will do is let them behind the wheel again.

You sound like a Taliban fan boi. Who's "We" btw? Do you recall the results of Novembers election?
 
Have they ever been otherwise ?

To me its no. Not because they are not but rather they have been pegged authortarian as long as I can remember and from what history I see, were jyst so forever.

I agree they have a long history of authoritarianism, but its getting more overt and more extreme.
 
You sound like a Taliban fan boi. Who's "We" btw? Do you recall the results of Novembers election?

Do you mean the election when exclusively red states voted for Republican candidates? Yes, that was shocking. Nobody saw that coming.
 
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