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Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

Is the American left becoming more and more authoritarian?


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And you would be bitching about him not reinstating the law and how insecure the US has become and all that political bull****.

Also it was Bush who made most of the sunset provisions permanent in 2006. The remaining sunset provisions have to be renewed once in a while and Obama did that yes. But most the Patriot Act is law, and does not need renewal thanks to.... Bush. This means Obama even if he wanted to scrap it, could not.

Sorry, Obama ran against it-and then renewed and expanded it. At least Bush owned it.

Now back to authoritarian leftists, why are they moving that way?
 
The left also wants to strictly regulate what the average citizen is allowed to own, how much money they're allowed to make (and subsequently keep), what they are allowed to spend that money on, what they're allowed to say in public, what they're allowed to think, how they're allowed to educate their children (or whether they really even have a 'right' to their children in the first place), and what they are allowed to eat and drink on a voluntary basis.

You know... All for the greater "collective" good of keeping their harebrained vision of "nanny state utopia" workable, of course. :roll:

What a crock.
 
The left also wants to strictly regulate what the average citizen is allowed to own, how much money they're allowed to make (and subsequently keep), what they are allowed to spend that money on, what they're allowed to say in public, what they're allowed to think, how they're allowed to educate their children (or whether they really even have a 'right' to their children in the first place), and what they are allowed to eat and drink on a voluntary basis.

You know... All for the greater "collective" good of keeping their harebrained vision of "nanny state utopia" workable, of course. :roll:

Nanny states are mostly red states.
 
Kobie, I have a dream that one day you will substantively discuss issues instead of dropping lame one liners.
Perhaps the basement is more your thing?

I have a dream that you'll leave me the hell alone.
 
I have a dream that you'll leave me the hell alone.

Lol, Kobie, he ignored an extensive post destroying his assertions. He played it off as "dancing". It's a classic symptom of someone who has nothing to add to the conversation. You really should stop taking him so seriously when he gets like this.
 
Lol, Kobie, he ignored an extensive post destroying his assertions. He played it off as "dancing". It's a classic symptom of someone who has nothing to add to the conversation. You really should stop taking him so seriously when he gets like this.

I don't.
 

I think you should ask him what the standards for authoritarianism are and to show examples of it. You'll find that most of what he deems "authoritarian" were laws produced by his side and mostly overturned by the very left he deems authoritarian. Hell, if the Patriot Act has been gutted it was because of the left. If waterboarding is under scrutiny, it's because of the left. If the NSA wiretappings are openly questioned, it's because of the left. The right was pretty complacent about these measures when they were in power. Remember, questioning the country's laws was aiding and abetting a few years ago.

He agrees that "the left" wants to tell people how much they should earn. Yet he brags about making money thanks to California's laws on overtime. He agrees that the left is telling people how to "educate their children" but then ignores that the reason people can start charter schools, homeschooling etc. is the work of organizations like the leftist ACLU. He also seems to agree that people are being told what to eat. However, he benefits daily from many of California's regulations on health. I took his measure a few weeks ago on that Cuba thread and realized he says things to get attention. Nothing more. :shrug:
 
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The left also wants to strictly regulate what the average citizen is allowed to own, how much money they're allowed to make (and subsequently keep), what they are allowed to spend that money on, what they're allowed to say in public, what they're allowed to think, how they're allowed to educate their children (or whether they really even have a 'right' to their children in the first place), and what they are allowed to eat and drink on a voluntary basis.

You know... All for the greater "collective" good of keeping their harebrained vision of "nanny state utopia" workable, of course. :roll:
I think you need to learn how to distinguish between "the left" and "a few nutters on the left" and even then, I don't even recall a few nutters on the left trying to "strictly regulate" anything you listed. I can't even imagine anyone trying to "strictly regulate" what people think given that we don't have the technology to even do that.
 
I think you need to learn how to distinguish between "the left" and "a few nutters on the left" and even then, I don't even recall a few nutters on the left trying to "strictly regulate" anything you listed. I can't even imagine anyone trying to "strictly regulate" what people think given that we don't have the technology to even do that.

After a time patterns emerge. You can't hide this behind "a few nutters" or moral equivalence.
 
After a time patterns emerge. You can't hide this behind "a few nutters" or moral equivalence.

You are absolutely correct. Patterns do emerge.

Such as telling people what they can and can not wear.

In Sooner State, wearing hoodie in public may soon be against the law | Universal Journal Review

Or what people can and can not do with their own bodies.

Big Week For Texas Abortion & Gay Marriage Laws « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

Or who can and can not get married.

Same Sex Marriage Map, State Laws List

And many more laws trying to control people's private lives.

If you look closely you'll see it's far more on the right side of the spectrum.
 
You are absolutely correct. Patterns do emerge.

Such as telling people what they can and can not wear.

In Sooner State, wearing hoodie in public may soon be against the law | Universal Journal Review

Or what people can and can not do with their own bodies.

Big Week For Texas Abortion & Gay Marriage Laws « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

Or who can and can not get married.

Same Sex Marriage Map, State Laws List

And many more laws trying to control people's private lives.

If you look closely you'll see it's far more on the right side of the spectrum.

I'm looking closely and I see backlash from decent people wanting a decent society.

It's human nature to sin and sin we have....to the max.
 
I'm looking closely and I see backlash from decent people wanting a decent society.

It's human nature to sin and sin we have....to the max.

What gives you the right to force your beliefs on others?
 
I don't know why we bother with polls any longer. They continue to be gypped.
 
I could ask you the same. Except it would be sin rather than belief.

I've always been a live and let live type. If it doesn't effect me personally I could really care less what someone else does. Example: SSM. Yes according to the Bible it is a sin, but it's something that they have to answer for. My 52 year marriage was not effected in any way by it and I don't have to answer for their sins, they do. Same with abortion. I hate to see it happening but again I don't have to answer for it. If you read and believe the Bible then those that are trying to force someone else to do their bidding are also committing a sin that they will answer for. It's cold here and I'm off to feed the animals.
 
Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

As far as authoritarian goes, both Democrats and Republicans are equally authoritarian. There is no party that fully espouses personal freedoms. The Libertarian Party may be closest, but since nobody can agree on what a "libertarian" is that's moot.
 
As far as authoritarian goes, both Democrats and Republicans are equally authoritarian. There is no party that fully espouses personal freedoms. The Libertarian Party may be closest, but since nobody can agree on what a "libertarian" is that's moot.

So equivocation is your angle. You aren't the first.
 
Insightful, I'd consider myself towards the libertarian side. I think the left is certainly tripping over itself in its sprint towards authoritarianism.

You see ironic jokes on the internet all the time about the two sides joining forces and it's pretty much common fodder among the naiive and non-politically aware that the two parties "are the same."
 
You see ironic jokes on the internet all the time about the two sides joining forces and it's pretty much common fodder among the naiive and non-politically aware that the two parties "are the same."

In matters of personal liberty they often follow the same track. It's not a coincidence that the Patriot Act came in the Bush admin, but Obama continued the same policies.
 
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