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Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

Is the American left becoming more and more authoritarian?

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Oh, goody gumdrop. Another one of these threads.

The main fallacy being espoused here is that the Democratic Party represents the interests of "the left."
 
Kobie said:
Oh, goody gumdrop. Another one of these threads.

The main fallacy being espoused here is that the Democratic Party represents the interests of "the left."
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The democrat party wasn't even mentioned in the op, Kobie. And why are you stalking me?
 
US Conservative said:
Lets start now-why is the left so authoritarian?
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Honest discussions don't usually begin in the form of a logical fallacy.
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US Conservative said:
Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?
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No, our government in totum is becoming increasingly authoritarian and, more to the point, corporatist.
 
Sucks when you try to rig a poll to your beliefs and it doesn't go that way....

LOL
 
US Conservative said:
There are plenty of leftists who aren't in the govt. And they seek to exert influence. Are these leftists becoming more authoritarian?
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You could say the same about Conservatives: some work in government, some don't. But since the ones who aren't in government, aren't in political groups or don't contribute financially to political parties don't have much impact on the rest of us, they don't need to be considered too terribly much. So what you should be considering is, what are the elements leading to the government as a whole to becoming more authoritarian?
 
US Conservative said:
Im discussing the lefts move towards authoritarianism and seeing who agrees. Seem's like a legitimate political topic to me.
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And.....no one does....

Another FAIL.
 
US Conservative said:
An interesting point, one I will bring up to the mods-this thread has already been tampered with, to show some quite impractical results, ones that change the results.

Kinda makes my point.
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US Conservative said:
I already asked a very specific question in the OP. If you want to keep crying about the question we aren't going to get anywhere.
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Your question is invalid, but I'll humor you with a response.

First of all let's start out with the definition of authoritarian:

au·thor·i·tar·i·an
əˌTHôrəˈterēən/
adjective
adjective: authoritarian

1. favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Notice the part about the government. That's kinda important.
US Conservative said:
We hear from lefties how anyone who disagrees with them are racists, sexists, bigots, homophobes, etc-in other words modern lefty versions of the word heretic. The left declares what speech is appropriate (PC).
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a) The left has not altered any Constitutionally protected free speech.

b)If you're trying to silence the left publicly declaring racist, sexist, bigotry, and homophobic acts as such, then you're the one seeking an authoritarian solution.
US Conservative said:
They force Americans to engage in interstate commerce.
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a) Americans aren't forced to engage in interstate commerce.

b) If you dislike the 10th Amendment, take your issues up with the founding fathers.
US Conservative said:
They have also become increasingly violent, reference the recent officer involved shootings, occupy, etc.
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Americans identifying as liberals has increased as violent crime has gone down. Your facts are wrong.
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US Conservative said:
All with no new ideas-just rhetoric to explain their policy failures.
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Speaking of rhetoric...
US Conservative said:
There have even been calls to arrest those who disagree with them on global warming... Arrest Climate-Change Deniers
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"Single person expresses view. Guy on internet attributes it to an entire ideology."
US Conservative said:
We are told (by them) that "the debate is over". :doh

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The debate is over with scientists, and liberals, and a good portion of conservatives. You being wrong on the issue doesn't make the other side authoritarian.
US Conservative said:
Is the left becoming more and more (nakedly) authoritarian?
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Nope. Responding to this post has made me dumber, however.
 
Conservatives are insane conformists who want everyone to be a good old boy toting a gun and complaining about imaginary communists in the "Council on Foriegn Relations". Conservatives will take the most evil capitalist elite that wants to control the whole world and capitalize on human suffering and call them communists. I think this perverse streak in conservatives makes them "insane" and therefore illogical and impossible to discuss anything with. They also think the media is against them, when its clear the mass media is against almost everyone else.
 
Cardinal said:
You could say the same about Conservatives: some work in government, some don't. But since the ones who aren't in government, aren't in political groups or don't contribute financially to political parties don't have much impact on the rest of us, they don't need to be considered too terribly much. So what you should be considering is, what are the elements leading to the government as a whole to becoming more authoritarian?
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But I didn't ask you about Conservatives. I asked about liberals, what is your honest assessment of the left in general? Is it becoming more authoritarian?
 
Unrepresented said:
Your question is invalid, but I'll humor you with a response.

First of all let's start out with the definition of authoritarian:

au·thor·i·tar·i·an
əˌTHôrəˈterēən/
adjective
adjective: authoritarian

1. favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Notice the part about the government. That's kinda important.

a) The left has not altered any Constitutionally protected free speech.

b)If you're trying to silence the left publicly declaring racist, sexist, bigotry, and homophobic acts as such, then you're the one seeking an authoritarian solution.

a) Americans aren't forced to engage in interstate commerce.

b) If you dislike the 10th Amendment, take your issues up with the founding fathers.

Americans identifying as liberals has increased as violent crime has gone down. Your facts are wrong.
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Speaking of rhetoric...

"Single person expresses view. Guy on internet attributes it to an entire ideology."

The debate is over with scientists, and liberals, and a good portion of conservatives. You being wrong on the issue doesn't make the other side authoritarian.

Nope. Responding to this post has made me dumber, however.
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Its fascinating watching you dance. :lol:

I guess we know that deep down you think they are.
 
US Conservative said:
But I didn't ask you about Conservatives. I asked about liberals, what is your honest assessment of the left in general? Is it becoming more authoritarian?
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And I answered that: it's the government becoming more authoritarian. And finally to add to that, it's the American people who are becoming more authoritarian. This is why regardless of whether Republicans or Democrats are in power the government marches toward authoritarianism and corporatism pretty much unhindered, and Americans on both the left and right have pretty much signed on to it. And that's why a little over ten years ago the signing of the Patriot Act was a big deal. Today, however, the blame is put on Snowden for revealing that the NSA has regularly accessed our phone records and emails instead of on the NSA itself for doing those things.
 
US Conservative said:
Its fascinating watching you dance. :lol:

I guess we know that deep down you think they are.
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I'm assuming your reading comprehension levels are as low as your understanding of the subjects you're discussing.
 
A majority of Americans thinks that people should be held without trial for decades without any legally exercisable right to disagree with their captivity (hallmark of the Bill of Rights). They can be set free 12 years later if it turns out they had no terrorist connections or knowledge. Basically everyone outside the left believes that.
 
Morality Games said:
A majority of Americans thinks that people should be held without trial for decades without any legally exercisable right to disagree with their captivity (hallmark of the Bill of Rights). They can be set free 12 years later if it turns out they had no terrorist connections or knowledge. Basically everyone outside the left believes that.
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so you being a "centrist" believes that? I am no leftist and I sure do not
 
US Conservative said:
We hear from lefties how anyone who disagrees with them are racists, sexists, bigots, homophobes, etc-in other words modern lefty versions of the word heretic. The left declares what speech is appropriate (PC). They force Americans to engage in interstate commerce. They have also become increasingly violent, reference the recent officer involved shootings, occupy, etc. All with no new ideas-just rhetoric to explain their policy failures.

There have even been calls to arrest those who disagree with them on global warming... Arrest Climate-Change Deniers

We are told (by them) that "the debate is over". :doh

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Is the left becoming more and more (nakedly) authoritarian?
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I think the roles are becomming Authoritarian and Libertarian. Bumping out the more common political beliefs for new, crazy, and different ones. I think in the future there will be just two different sides. Are you libertarian or Authoritarian? Indeed I am writing a novel about this very idea.

I'm already beginning to see that on the internet and in certain circles they look at you weirdly if you describe yourself as anything but. If you don't fit their already chosen definitions of what you believe, they will pick it for you. Oh you are a RINO. Oh you are a Neocon. Like your selections up there. I usually consider right leaning to mean conservative, which I am not. Left leaning is liberal. These days leftists are radicals and so are conservatives. So going forward there will be Authoritarians, Libertarians, and Radicals. It won't happen overnight, but maybe as a generation gets replaced by those that have grown up with the internet.
 
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US Conservative said:
But I didn't ask you about Conservatives. I asked about liberals, what is your honest assessment of the left in general? Is it becoming more authoritarian?
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You asked about "the left". And by asking about one side, it is inferred that they are more authoritarian than the other side.

And, you are getting your a** handed to you.

As usual.
 
ModerateGOP said:
I think the roles are becomming Authoritarian and Libertarian. Bumping out the more common political beliefs for new, crazy, and different ones. I think in the future there will be just two different sides. Are you libertarian or Authoritarian? Indeed I am writing a novel about this very idea.

I'm already beginning to see that on the internet and in certain circles they look at you weirdly if you describe yourself as anything but. If you don't fit their already chosen definitions of what you believe, they will pick it for you. Oh you are a RINO. Oh you are a Neocon. Like your selections up there. I usually consider right leaning to mean conservative, which I am not. Left leaning is liberal. These days leftists are radicals and so are conservatives. So going forward there will be Authoritarians, Libertarians, and Radicals. It won't happen overnight, but maybe as a generation gets replaced by those that have grown up with the internet.
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Insightful, I'd consider myself towards the libertarian side. I think the left is certainly tripping over itself in its sprint towards authoritarianism.
 
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