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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    That is not true. He just continued what Bush already had implemented.
    Lets pretend you are right. He continued unabated. are you this partisan?

    but no, he expanded it.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Is that so?

    Consider the example of motor vehicles, and how a single state is allowed to set what in effect becomes a national standard.

    Regulation of greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    State Regulation of Greenhouse Gases from Motor Vehicles

    With one exception, the responsibility for regulating emissions from new motor vehicles under the CAA rests with the EPA. Section 209(a) of the Act states in part: “No state or any political subdivision thereof shall adopt or attempt to enforce any standard relating to the control of emissions from new motor vehicles or new motor vehicle engines subject to this part.”[35] Section 209(b) of the Act provides for the exception; it grants the EPA the authority to waive this prohibition for any state that had adopted emissions standards for new motor vehicles or engines prior to March 30, 1966.[36] California is the only state that meets this eligibility requirement and is thus the only state in the nation, which can seek to obtain a waiver from the EPA.

    Note that the EPA originally denied California's attempt to set it's own standards. Once the current administration took power, and installed it's authoritarian leadership, the EPA changed it's position on the matter.

    Authoritarianism is at the heart of the liberal/progressive agenda. How else would the undefined "social justice" agenda be accomplished?
    Because California has unique environmental conditions (specifically in the coastal areas) that require more stringent standards. You can spin it how you want, but you are arguing for centralization while at the same time bitching about authoritarianism. In the case of the original Clean Air Act, California already had standards in place thus it was allowed to petition for wavers (and the Obama Admin is not the first time such wavers were granted).

    If you want an example of left wing authoritarianism just look at the PC culture on many university campuses. However, to use the ability of California to set its own environmental standards to better serve its own citizens is an absolutely ridiculous critique of liberal authoritarianism. Decentralization of regulations is the absolute opposite of authoritarianism.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Because California has unique environmental conditions (specifically in the coastal areas) that require more stringent standards. You can spin it how you want, but you are arguing for centralization while at the same time bitching about authoritarianism. In the case of the original Clean Air Act, California already had standards in place thus it was allowed to petition for wavers (and the Obama Admin is not the first time such wavers were granted).

    If you want an example of left wing authoritarianism just look at the PC culture on many university campuses. However, to use the ability of California to set its own environmental standards to better serve its own citizens is an absolutely ridiculous critique of liberal authoritarianism. Decentralization of regulations is the absolute opposite of authoritarianism.
    Irony, Part II.

    "You can spin it any way you want"

    Liberal/progressive California was not allowed to set it's own standards under the Clean Air Act until Obama took office and installed an wack job agency head as Director of the EPA. It then dropped it's opposition, and put in a provision that allowed ONLY California to set standards, something no other state is allowed to do. The actions of the CARB have nothing to do with citizen directives, and the authoritarian position they take receives the blessing of the authoritarian EPA because it allows a single state to set national standards, without the red tape required by the EPA process.

    This regulation without representation is one of the foundational efforts of authoritarian liberalism. Are you aware of the EPA's "Environmental Justice" initiative?

    It would seem you are not comfortable with the label "authoritarian" being properly connected to liberal/progressivism, but it's connection is reality, and attempting to claim otherwise is a rather futile exercise.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    The really extraordinary thing about this poll is that someone logged out, voted no, cleared their cookies and repeated this action two hundred and thirty one times. Sweet jeebus, somebody get that guy a dog.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    I voted Yes. Seems to me that the Liberals / Progressives / Democrats have gone from 'this is a good idea, let's promote it' to 'this is a good idea, let's make it mandatory'. That in and of itself, if far more authoritarian in nature and approach.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The really extraordinary thing about this poll is that someone logged out, voted no, cleared their cookies and repeated this action two hundred and thirty one times. Sweet jeebus, somebody get that guy a dog.
    Meh, I thought it was you being the 63rd reply giving it the 421st view.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Meh, I thought it was you being the 63rd reply giving it the 421st view.
    Actually I was. I was just curious if I'd have to go through the dreary task of having to clear my cookies before voting again. Answer: yup.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I voted Yes. Seems to me that the Liberals / Progressives / Democrats have gone from 'this is a good idea, let's promote it' to 'this is a good idea, let's make it mandatory'. That in and of itself, if far more authoritarian in nature and approach.
    Except that within this thread the definition of "authoritarian" has been expanded to include any policy that Liberals want. So going by that expanded definition any policy that Conservatives want is de facto "authoritarian."

    It's a silly thread, though not surprising when you consider the source.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Actually I was. I was just curious if I'd have to go through the dreary task of having to clear my cookies before voting again. Answer: yup.
    Only if they are fudge cookies. Just sayin!

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Except that within this thread the definition of "authoritarian" has been expanded to include any policy that Liberals want. So going by that expanded definition any policy that Conservatives want is de facto "authoritarian."

    It's a silly thread, though not surprising when you consider the source.
    I'd disagree that the present definition of "authoritarian" is anything that Liberals want.
    What's so authoritarian about let's say a carbon pollution reduction tax credit?
    However, a carbon cap and trade tax is far more authoritarian.

    Being "authoritarian" with a policy or proposal isn't a 'what' about the policy or proposal, it's the 'how' part of it.

    I agree with you that there are authoritarian elements or features in the policies and proposals that both parties support.

    I dislike authoritarian policies and proposals, full stop. Who want's their arm twisted?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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