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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    "But your side did it too!" is not a legitimate justification of your position.
    No justification required. Your side bashed Bush based on the Patriot Act, while ignoring the fact that Obama has not only continued the Patriot Act, but expanded it. I am just calling the left out on it's double standards.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its worth noting that Obama and the left is actually worse in this regard-because they are hypocrites as well-they ran against it, cried about it-and then not only prevented its sunset but expanded it.
    The left is laughable on this one. They screamed bloody murder during Bush's time in office over phone calls being monitored if a known terrorist was on one side of the call. Yet now it's been expanded to virtually all cellphone calls being tapped....and it's no big deal.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    No justification required. Your side bashed Bush based on the Patriot Act, while ignoring the fact that Obama has not only continued the Patriot Act, but expanded it. I am just calling the left out on it's double standards.
    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    The left is laughable on this one. They screamed bloody murder during Bush's time in office over phone calls being monitored if a known terrorist was on one side of the call. Yet now it's been expanded to virtually all cellphone calls being tapped....and it's no big deal.
    Yes, the transition between bush and obama made hypocrites of about 90% of the country.. People supporting bush now hate obama for what amounts to expanding on what bush did... And the people fighting bush just buying into obama's platform even though it was just more of the same.

    There's only a small minority that actually opposed both by remaining consistent on the issues, rather than blindly following the party politics.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Yes, the transition between bush and obama made hypocrites of about 90% of the country.. People supporting bush now hate obama for what amounts to expanding on what bush did... And the people fighting bush just buying into obama's platform even though it was just more of the same.

    There's only a small minority that actually opposed both by remaining consistent on the issues, rather than blindly following the party politics.
    Not a completely fair statement. I was okay with what the Patriot Act appeared to be under Bush, which was monitoring phone calls only if a known terrorist was on one end of the line and sicking close to FISA guidelines. I am not okay with all cellphone calls being monitored, even if it is just metadata. I would not have been okay with that under Bush either.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    No justification required. Your side bashed Bush based on the Patriot Act, while ignoring the fact that Obama has not only continued the Patriot Act, but expanded it. I am just calling the left out on it's double standards.
    And if significant portions of "the left" hadn't been critical of Obama for his horrendous record on privacy and surveillance, you might have a point.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Not a completely fair statement. I was okay with what the Patriot Act appeared to be under Bush, which was monitoring phone calls only if a known terrorist was on one end of the line and sicking close to FISA guidelines. I am not okay with all cellphone calls being monitored, even if it is just metadata. I would not have been okay with that under Bush either.
    Ok, I suppose I should have included those that started to realize the scam... I knew from the start that ye Patriot Act was one of those that was sold as a good / necessary thing that was intended to be used against Americans.
    But, to be fair there, would have to include those that believed Obama initially but have realized that he is effectively Bush III, and are now rejecting him.

    However, realizing that, we cannot afford as a nation to wind up with the choice between hillary (for women's rights, in which case take Obama ' s people's claims of racism and swap it with sexism) and another bush. It's time for the nation to wake up and reject these blue blood fakes.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Is the left becoming more and more (nakedly) authoritarian?
    Yes. But unfortunately so is much of the right.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    No justification required. Your side bashed Bush based on the Patriot Act, while ignoring the fact that Obama has not only continued the Patriot Act, but expanded it. I am just calling the left out on it's double standards.
    If Articles of Impeachment were filed against Obama for signing the Patriot Act, I would be supportive of the impeachment. Another reason why the "your side, my side" mentality in regards to politics is generally terrible: making assumptions as to what I believe and who I support without really having a clue what I think. My original post was regarding the hypocrisy of the Republicans on the PATRIOT Act; would you like to address that?
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    So you don't believe in good and evil either?
    Good and Evil are nebulous terms. They have completely subjective definitions and meanings.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    If Articles of Impeachment were filed against Obama for signing the Patriot Act, I would be supportive of the impeachment. Another reason why the "your side, my side" mentality in regards to politics is generally terrible: making assumptions as to what I believe and who I support without really having a clue what I think. My original post was regarding the hypocrisy of the Republicans on the PATRIOT Act; would you like to address that?
    I respect you for your consistency. Can you cite any prominent leftist leaders advocating legal action against Obama?

    And another question-which is worse in your mind-advocating for the Patriot act or running as a candidate against the patriot act only to renew the law and then expand it?

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