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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, they are.
    Agreed. Its obvious.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Ah. So you're going to take the position that Rush's statement "take the bone out of your nose" to a black woman wasn't race-baiting (or outright racist), but the statements by the Dems - which I explained to you, each and every one - are race-baiting?
    I won't take a position with you since your posts are disingenuous to start out. You can only see one side as a your hyperpartisan posts show.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Seems to me you're not just moving the goalpost - you're pretending that we liberals don't have a right to strive to reach that goalpost at all.
    Seems to me you only see race baiting by conservatives, and when confronted with liberal progressive race baiting it's "out of context". Have your posts and views always been hypocritical? This may be a reminder to me why I rarely respond to your posts.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I won't take a position with you since your posts are disingenuous to start out. You can only see one side as a your hyperpartisan posts show.

    Seems to me you only see race baiting by conservatives, and when confronted with liberal progressive race baiting it's "out of context". Have your posts and views always been hypocritical? This may be a reminder to me why I rarely respond to your posts.
    Seeing as how you seem to believe that "mentioning race" or "referring to race" or "speaking of historical racial matters" IS somehow race-baiting in the same vein as Rush Limbaugh's obvious race-baiting, then we have nothing further to discuss.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Seeing as how you seem to believe that "mentioning race" or "referring to race" or "speaking of historical racial matters" IS somehow race-baiting in the same vein as Rush Limbaugh's obvious race-baiting, then we have nothing further to discuss.
    You just lied about what my statements said.... I would rather not discuss anything with you since as I've already stated, your posts are intellectually dishonest and chock full of hypocrisy. Just a tip for you: If you're going to point to conservative race baiting and the logic behind it you should take a look at your own political ideology first as it's sure to get thrown in your face. Your posts met my low bar of expectation and you're correct we've got nothing to discuss since you're only interested in discussing things with others who share your hyperpartisan views. Frankly, I doubt you could add anything worth responding to with such a disposition. Have a nice life.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    It seems that the OP's definition of authoritarian is "possessing authority that I disagree with because I voted for the other party".
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It seems that the OP's definition of authoritarian is "possessing authority that I disagree with because I voted for the other party".
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You just lied about what my statements said.... I would rather not discuss anything with you since as I've already stated, your posts are intellectually dishonest and chock full of hypocrisy. Just a tip for you: If you're going to point to conservative race baiting and the logic behind it you should take a look at your own political ideology first as it's sure to get thrown in your face.
    That can really be said about this entire thread, can't it? If you're going point to liberal authoritarianism and the "logic" behind it, you should take a look at your own political ideology first. The mean value of left and right both in this country are turning more and more to authoritarianism, there's no relief in either side.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    To put it simply, race-baiting is referring to race in such a way that it's obviously derogatory to that race, but doing so in a way that gives the speaker "wriggle room" to say "Oh, that's not what I meant at all!"

    How about some examples from Rush Limbaugh? I didn't provide links - they're from different sites and are all easy to find. There's lots more, but this should suffice:

    “Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”

    [To an African American female caller]: “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”

    "The days of them not having any power are over, and they are angry. And they want to use their power as a means of retribution. That’s what Obama’s about, gang. He’s angry, he’s gonna cut this country down to size, he’s gonna make it pay for all the multicultural mistakes that it has made, its mistreatment of minorities."

    "Obama's plan is based on his inherent belief that this country was immorally and illegitimately founded by a very small minority of white Europeans who screwed everybody else since the founding to get all the money and all the goodies, and it's about time that the scales were made even. And that's what's going on here. And that's why the president is lawless, and that's why there is no prosecution of the Black Panthers for voter intimidation, because it's not possible for a minority to intimidate the white majority."

    "I think Obama thinks of himself as above the job. I don't think he likes the job as much as he thought he was going to like it. I don't think he likes the White House. I think he looks at the White House as confining. I think one of the reasons all these vacations is he gets outta there. He and his wife do not like living there. To them the White House is not a great place of honor, it's a prison, and a lot of presidents have felt that it's a prison, but to them it's like some African-Americans, "Fourth of July ain't no big deal to me, yo." Well, the White House, to a lot of African-Americans, is the same thing."

    "It is clear that Senator Obama has disowned his white half, that he's decided he's got to go all in on the black side."
    No link to those alleged statements from Rush. Why am I not surprised.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you equate "race baiting" as you defined it with being racist?

    Do you agree with the following which are also not linked but easy to find, who according to your previous post about Limbaugh, must also be racists:

    - Romney wants to let the — he said in the first hundred days he’s going to let the big banks once again write their own rules, ‘unchain Wall Street.’ They’re going to put y’all back in chains.” [Joe Biden]
    - “Tillis even led the effort to pass the kind of ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws that caused the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.” [Harry Reids Senate Majority PAC]
    - I think race has something to do with the fact that they are not bringing up an immigration bill. I’ve heard them say to the Irish, ‘If it was you, it would be easy.’ [Nancy Pelosi]
    - “A few years ago, (Barack Obama) would have been getting us coffee.” [Bill Clinton]

    And how is Limbaugh the focus here? He's got a radio show... so do a lot of other people.
    Not to mention...if an African American chooses to join a republican administration or supports conservatism, the so-called progressives label them as "uncle toms", "Aunt Jemimas", "oreo cookies", or "strawberries".

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Ah. So you're going to take the position that Rush's statement "take the bone out of your nose" to a black woman wasn't race-baiting (or outright racist), but the statements by the Dems - which I explained to you, each and every one - are race-baiting?

    Seems to me you're not just moving the goalpost - you're pretending that we liberals don't have a right to strive to reach that goalpost at all.
    It's you that is attempting to move the goal posts. And until you post credible links to those alleged statements by Rush, nobody is going to take you seriously. Not that it matters. Rush is a talk show host with no power whatsoever in government. Joe Biden is the damn Vice President of the USA! His statements were certainly racist. As were former president Bill Clinton's. If you really want to get into a war of words over which party has made racist statements, we can bring up a bit more of the democrat party history.....including the likes of the late Senator Robert Byrd, the late Hugo Black, George Wallace, etc.

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