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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    To me the question is whether the mainstream American Left or the mainstream American Right is more authoritarian. You can't look at extremists on either side because extremists are almost always going to be authoritarian regardless of their ideology. So really its a question of what does the Democratic voting base support vs what the Republican voting base supports.

    The Democratic base tends to support social liberalism, is pro-choice, is pro-drug decriminalization, is pro-gay marriage, is in favor of strong environmental protections, is in favor of universal healthcare, in favor of reductions in defense spending, and in favor of progressive taxation.

    The Republican base tends to be socially conservative, pro-life, anti-gay marriage, in favor of strong defense spending, in favor of less regulation, and in favor of a flatter tax system.

    If we look at authoritarian requiems throughout history we don't see too many of them that arise due to progressive taxation, reductions in defense spending, strong environmental regulations, universal healthcare, or social liberalism. In fact, I can't think of a single authoritarian requiem in all of history that came about in that way. Usually authoritarian regimes come about either by social conservatism and the mixing of church and state or by a government military industrial complex that convinces its citizenry to give up freedoms in exchange for security. So while you could argue that the American right is in favor of more economic freedom than the American left, the authoritarian problem on the American right is their embrace of militarization and their rampant social conservationism - which is inherently authoritarian. Using the state as a vehicle to endorse, promote, or compel your cultural and or religious moral views is by definition authoritarian. Drug laws, anti-sodomy laws, blue laws, mandatory sentencing, dry counties, book bans, and all sorts of mixing of church and state have all been brought to you by the American Right, so I don't think they have a leg to stand on when accusing the left of authoritarianism.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Upon further review, the ACLU does not support hate speech laws, at least not in an overt manner that I can easily find.

    A great many other Leftist organizations, including the ones I mentioned, most certainly do, however. Such laws are also more or less ubiquitous in nations where the political Left holds a disproportionate amount of social and legislative power.

    My original point still stands.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    What you may consider "Amuck" others may not.

    No where in the Bible that I know of, does it say anything about forcing people to believe the way you do. You can talk to them, you can read to them, you can "try" to convince them, but in the end it's their decision. It's called free will.
    I agree but, when such actions fly in the face of morality and decency where we are retrograding as a society, what should be done?

    Remember the path the Roman empire took.

    The Major Causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire

    Antagonism between the Senate and the Emperor
    Decline in Morals
    Political Corruption and the Praetorian Guard
    Fast expansion of the Empire
    Constant Wars and Heavy Military Spending
    Barbarian Knowledge of Roman Military Tactics
    Failing Economy
    Unemployment of the Working Classes (The Plebs)
    The 'Mob' and the cost of the 'Games'
    Decline in Ethics and Values
    Slave Labor
    Natural Disasters
    Christianity
    Barbarian Invasion

    Notice that Christianity was a cause. If we get back to being a Christian nation, many of these issues will cease to be a problem
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Another incompetently worded poll.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No my point is not that the right is the bad guy and the left is not.. my point is that the right is worse than the left but both are in their own ways trying to control things.

    As for GITMO is not a device for dealing with US citizens.. no that is what you have Supermax for.



    LOL you have an open KKK member of Congress now in a leading position in the House. The man held a speech at a white supremacist meeting and is now trying to back track and make excuses. You do not hold speeches at such places unless you have sympathy with their racist views and you certainly dont hold a speech at such a place "by mistake".



    What are his votes in the House that support your implication?
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I agree but, when such actions fly in the face of morality and decency where we are retrograding as a society, what should be done?

    Remember the path the Roman empire took.

    The Major Causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire

    Antagonism between the Senate and the Emperor
    Decline in Morals
    Political Corruption and the Praetorian Guard
    Fast expansion of the Empire
    Constant Wars and Heavy Military Spending
    Barbarian Knowledge of Roman Military Tactics
    Failing Economy
    Unemployment of the Working Classes (The Plebs)
    The 'Mob' and the cost of the 'Games'
    Decline in Ethics and Values
    Slave Labor
    Natural Disasters
    Christianity
    Barbarian Invasion

    Notice that Christianity was a cause. If we get back to being a Christian nation, many of these issues will cease to be a problem
    The bolded part I agree with 100%. But passing laws that try to control people is not going to make that happen. Lets go a step further. Take ball caps, you see so called thugs wearing them side ways or backwards, do we pass a law saying you can only wear ball caps with the bill facing forward.

    Antagonism between the Senate and the Emperor: When Bush took office the Dems hated him and worked against him all the could. When Obama took office the Reps. did the same to him.

    Political Corruption: All our politicians are corrupt.

    I could go thru the list and show where a lot of that is happening today. And yet we keep electing the same people over and over.

    We can not legislate morality.

    I don't know how old you are, I'm 73 and I've seen the world change a lot. Some good changes and some not so good. IMHO one of the biggest problems with today's youth is lack of parenting. Looking back I think that started in the mid 80's. When technology was being renewed by leaps and bounds. I don't remember the last time I saw a teenager without a phone. The changes need to start with the parents and grandparents. that's where the changes need to start. But I just don't see that happening.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I agree but, when such actions fly in the face of morality and decency where we are retrograding as a society, what should be done?

    Remember the path the Roman empire took.

    The Major Causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire

    Antagonism between the Senate and the Emperor
    Decline in Morals
    Political Corruption and the Praetorian Guard
    Fast expansion of the Empire
    Constant Wars and Heavy Military Spending
    Barbarian Knowledge of Roman Military Tactics
    Failing Economy
    Unemployment of the Working Classes (The Plebs)
    The 'Mob' and the cost of the 'Games'
    Decline in Ethics and Values
    Slave Labor
    Natural Disasters
    Christianity
    Barbarian Invasion

    Notice that Christianity was a cause. If we get back to being a Christian nation, many of these issues will cease to be a problem
    Christianity was a cause because it created a major schism in the empire. Many of the "causes" you listed ("decline in morals," "decline in ethics and values") are BS platitudes regurgitated by culture scolds in order to lament the disappearance of many of the old-fashioned virtues they held dear.

    The biggest issue with the Roman Empire is that it got too big for its britches and virtually impossible to keep unified. Control of the empire had long been decentralized from Rome, and the empire was so large and diverse that it was only a matter of time before it fractured and fell.

    "Being a Christian nation" sure didn't prevent war, corruption, slavery, poverty, decades upon decades of racial, ethnic and gender discrimination, or a host of other issues. People like to pretend the United States was some ****ing utopia when everyone was God-fearin', but that is a figment of their imagination.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Christianity was a cause because it created a major schism in the empire. Many of the "causes" you listed ("decline in morals," "decline in ethics and values") are BS platitudes regurgitated by culture scolds in order to lament the disappearance of many of the old-fashioned virtues they held dear.

    The biggest issue with the Roman Empire is that it got too big for its britches and virtually impossible to keep unified. Control of the empire had long been decentralized from Rome, and the empire was so large and diverse that it was only a matter of time before it fractured and fell.

    "Being a Christian nation" sure didn't prevent war, corruption, slavery, poverty, decades upon decades of racial, ethnic and gender discrimination, or a host of other issues. People like to pretend the United States was some ****ing utopia when everyone was God-fearin', but that is a figment of their imagination.
    Kobie, Christianity is practiced by imperfect men. The empire held strong in the east, and you appear uninformed.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    The bolded part I agree with 100%. But passing laws that try to control people is not going to make that happen. Lets go a step further. Take ball caps, you see so called thugs wearing them side ways or backwards, do we pass a law saying you can only wear ball caps with the bill facing forward.

    Antagonism between the Senate and the Emperor: When Bush took office the Dems hated him and worked against him all the could. When Obama took office the Reps. did the same to him.

    Political Corruption: All our politicians are corrupt.

    I could go thru the list and show where a lot of that is happening today. And yet we keep electing the same people over and over.

    We can not legislate morality.

    I don't know how old you are, I'm 73 and I've seen the world change a lot. Some good changes and some not so good. IMHO one of the biggest problems with today's youth is lack of parenting. Looking back I think that started in the mid 80's. When technology was being renewed by leaps and bounds. I don't remember the last time I saw a teenager without a phone. The changes need to start with the parents and grandparents. that's where the changes need to start. But I just don't see that happening.
    Much of that non-parentling stems from the overall decay of society through the lack of morality and values. As with you, I blame technology but also the homosexual and feminism movements that have pushed acceptance of all sorts of vulgar, indecent practices. Things that use to be illegal in this country.

    We're all going to be punished for letting this happen. IMO

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Christianity was a cause because it created a major schism in the empire. Many of the "causes" you listed ("decline in morals," "decline in ethics and values") are BS platitudes regurgitated by culture scolds in order to lament the disappearance of many of the old-fashioned virtues they held dear.

    The biggest issue with the Roman Empire is that it got too big for its britches and virtually impossible to keep unified. Control of the empire had long been decentralized from Rome, and the empire was so large and diverse that it was only a matter of time before it fractured and fell.

    "Being a Christian nation" sure didn't prevent war, corruption, slavery, poverty, decades upon decades of racial, ethnic and gender discrimination, or a host of other issues. People like to pretend the United States was some ****ing utopia when everyone was God-fearin', but that is a figment of their imagination.
    The battle between good and evil is ever-present and continual. Never has this country been completely God-fearing. There's always been those who support the dark side.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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