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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Maybe we should ban trench coats while we're at it, eh? Ski masks? Nylon pantyhose? Bandanas? Dopemans or Chucks? Anything a 'thug' may wear, where do you draw the line?

    There is no thug under my hoodie, so you better not try and take it away. How authoritarian.
    I wear hoodies too but, that was a silly law that would correct no serious sin or crime.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    Hate the sin, love the sinner. there's nothing wrong with telling or trying to show someone that they are sinning, However that's where it ends. In the verses you quoted
    where does it say anything about forcing someone to comply.



    Matthew 18:15-17 ESV / 107 helpful votes

    “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
    IMO that means you shun them.

    We can not as good people allow sin to run amuck if we want a decent society. It's like giving your children freedom to do anything they wanf.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    How would you know if it's a thug. It could be a teenager trying to stay warm while walking to school or a young adult walking to work. Not everyone that wears a hoodie is a thug. I wear one on cold mornings when I go feed the animals.
    I said if. Personally, that's a silly law
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    2. Only a few nutters actually want to legislate salary caps. Invalid example. Progressive taxation isn't a "strict regulation" and it isn't a new concept so it isn't an example of the left becoming "more" anything as this thread is arguing. Another invalid example.
    Look at the crushing kinds of taxation that are commonplace in European nations at the present moment, and how many American Leftists are chomping at the bit to emulate them, and then come back to me and say that with a straight face.

    Bottom line: If they perceive you as making "too much money," quite a few ideological Leftists will hold it against you, and try to "correct" that "problem."

    3. If you're talking about payroll deductions, they don't regulate what people are allowed to spend money on. They regulate what people aren't allowed to avoid spending money on. And, like progressive taxation, it isn't new so it isn't an example of "more". Another invalid example.
    Mandatory health insurance ringing any bells?

    4. Only a few nutters want to make hate speech laws. Another invalid example.
    Which is why the United States is basically the only nation in the modern Western World not to have them?

    We're also the most "Right" leaning. That is not a coincidence.

    As a matter of fact, basically the only organizations in favor of Hate Speech Laws in the US tend to be powerful Left Wing organizations like the SPLC, ADL, and ACLU. Hardly "a few" irrelevant "nutters."

    5. "Political correctness" is social, not legal, pressure. And the right participates in it as well (e.g. "enhanced interrogation" instead of "torture" or calling Americans who disagree with them "un-American"). People from the right have also tried to force pro-gay businesses to pull ads or otherwise stop expressing themselves. Another invalid example.
    The Left is far worse, far more influential, and tries to impose its "relabeling" on a much broader range of subjects.

    6. I know many people on the left - probably many more than you do. They don't want any more "strict regulations" on schooling than ever have, so that claim is invalid as well. As far as people on the left supporting CPS, I've seen more people on the right support actual eugenics so give me a break on that one. Another invalid example.
    The fact of the matter remains, that if you are going to see any opposition whatsoever against the idea of either Homeschooling or Private Schools (particularly of the religious variety), it is going to be coming from the Left, not the Right.

    Again, beyond which, the other inescapable fact of the matter is that a great many overwhelmingly "Leftist" countries have already banned both of these practices outright.

    It "takes a village to raise a child," remember?
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Look at the crushing kinds of taxation that are commonplace in European nations at the present moment, and how many American Leftists are chomping at the bit to emulate them, and then come back to me and say that with a straight face.

    Bottom line: If they perceive you as making "too much money," quite a few ideological Leftists will hold it against you, and try to "correct" that "problem."



    Mandatory health insurance ringing any bells?



    Which is why the United States is basically the only nation in the modern Western World not to have them?

    We're also the most "Right" leaning. That is not a coincidence.

    As a matter of fact, basically the only organizations in favor of Hate Speech Laws in the US tend to be powerful Left Wing organizations like the SPLC, ADL, and ACLU. Hardly "a few" irrelevant "nutters."



    The Left is far worse, far more influential, and tries to impose its "relabeling" on a much broader range of subjects.



    The fact of the matter remains, that if you are going to see any opposition whatsoever against the idea of either Homeschooling or Private Schools (particularly of the religious variety), it is going to be coming from the Left, not the Right.

    Again, beyond which, the other inescapable fact of the matter is that a great many overwhelmingly "Leftist" countries have already banned both of these practices outright.

    It "takes a village to raise a child," remember?
    The ACLU is for "hate speech laws"?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The ACLU is for "hate speech laws"?
    shhh, you're interrupting his screed.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL it is the right that is becoming more and more authoritarian and has been for decades. Everything from denying rights to minorities to GITMO and the Patriot Act.. all acts by the American Taliban Right.
    'Nuff said. Case closed. Only a blind person can't see that.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The ACLU is for "hate speech laws"?
    This doesn't look like an endorsement of hate speech laws to me, but then again why slow ourselves down with facts?

    https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/hate-speech-campus
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The ACLU is for "hate speech laws"?
    Upon further review, the ACLU does not support hate speech laws, at least not in an overt manner that I can easily find.

    A great many other Leftist organizations, including the ones I mentioned, most certainly do, however. Such laws are also more or less ubiquitous in nations where the political Left holds a disproportionate amount of social and legislative power.

    My original point still stands.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    IMO that means you shun them.

    We can not as good people allow sin to run amuck if we want a decent society. It's like giving your children freedom to do anything they wanf.
    What you may consider "Amuck" others may not.

    No where in the Bible that I know of, does it say anything about forcing people to believe the way you do. You can talk to them, you can read to them, you can "try" to convince them, but in the end it's their decision. It's called free will.
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