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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    You literally asked me how many people I've heard say they love PC.
    Thats nice, I was asking for an anecdote, not a poll.
    And the question here is not if you or anyone else (there you go again, arbiter) "wants" to do a thing. Im looking at actions.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    But I didn't ask you about Conservatives. I asked about liberals, what is your honest assessment of the left in general? Is it becoming more authoritarian?
    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Your question is invalid, but I'll humor you with a response.

    First of all let's start out with the definition of authoritarian:

    au·thor·i·tar·i·an
    əˌTHôrəˈterēən/
    adjective
    adjective: authoritarian

    1. favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

    Notice the part about the government. That's kinda important.

    a) The left has not altered any Constitutionally protected free speech.

    b)If you're trying to silence the left publicly declaring racist, sexist, bigotry, and homophobic acts as such, then you're the one seeking an authoritarian solution.

    a) Americans aren't forced to engage in interstate commerce.

    b) If you dislike the 10th Amendment, take your issues up with the founding fathers.

    Americans identifying as liberals has increased as violent crime has gone down. Your facts are wrong.



    Speaking of rhetoric...

    "Single person expresses view. Guy on internet attributes it to an entire ideology."

    The debate is over with scientists, and liberals, and a good portion of conservatives. You being wrong on the issue doesn't make the other side authoritarian.

    Nope. Responding to this post has made me dumber, however.
    ... Take notice Unrepresented, when you reduce someone on DP to a two sentence statement you can rest assured that you've won the debate. Specially if the reply you received amounts to an anemic "nuh-uh" that avoids your point by point analysis of the poster's statements.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    I voted NO, the left isn't becoming authoritarian.

    Both parties are infiltrated by authoritarian minded people and not in the way you'd think.

    We must unite to help the principled convervatives and principled liberals retake their ideologies.

    And just in case you're thinking the right has nothing on tyranny:

    Who halted voters in DC from having their marijuana?

    Which "ideology" is infiltrating towns and local governments all over the United States?

    What is the ideology of dry towns where selling liquor is prohibited, and the ideology of states where beer must be under a certain percent?

    Republicans were the liberals in 1800s. They had descended from Whig politicians who descended from British Parliament which opposed the King's legitimacy. Lincoln the liberal Republican descended from the liberal Whigs, and he took the biggest government step of all to actually invade actual states, those states ruled by conservative Southern Democrats who hated a strong 'government of the people' and instead preferred their own States "Rights" along with their freedom to own other people as mere property.

    And when fighting the Civil War against the government, evenly matched with the same kind of guns, the government won. Yet now the descendants of the Southern slave holders want us to believe that our guns will still beat the modern government, which today has far more powerful guns, tanks, war planes, steal fighters, invisibility suits, drones, etc (thanks to the same people trying to convince us that our guns make government fear us, when it clearly didn't fear the heavily armed South).

    And on top of that, shortly after we won independence, George Washington sent soldiers to deal with people who rebelled against the tax on whiskey, and those rebels fled.

    Again the government hadn't feared the citizens who had guns, who in fact fled when troops arrived). Our most powerful weapon is that being taken away by states like Florida which prevent people from voting if they've been a felon or their name resembles one (Jim Crow again anyone?) and other methods of voter suppression.

    So do you want to continue feeding into the lies, or be doomed to repeat history and be allied on the wrong side of liberation?

    We must unite to vote in people who will respect and compromise with ALL major ideologies instead of having a "my way or the highway" attitude (isn't a "my way or the highway" attitude the surest sign of tyrannical behavior?).

    Let's stop playing into the hands of dividers and instead join up with the unstoppable walk to political reform.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Well, let's see. The left doesn't want the government to intrude on women's lives when it comes to abortion, the left wants the police to stop making unnecessary arrests, much of the left opposed the NSA surveillance program and the list continues. So no, the left is not getting more authoritarian.
    The last time I checked the left does support laws limiting the women's right to choose. That is unless somehow putting legal limits on abortion is not putting legal limits on abortion.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Since Bush's antics are top secret, how does anyone know if he expanded or just consolidated? The only reason we know that Obama continued to use the same methods is because of selective leaks. Listen Obama aint no angel to say the least, but blaming him for everything and giving the GOP and Bush a free pass is just pathetic.

    Why not an executive order as he said he would do?
    Sure, but where would you put the prisoners that are being kept? This has always been the problem in closing GITMO... no state in the union wants to accept them.
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I notice that you selectively edited the part that the left has chosen to execute absent due process those who would have previously been imprisoned. Pretty slippery. Just a tad leftist.

    Your point is that the right is the bad guy. If the left is not doing anything in any way to reverse the acts of the right, they are complicit.

    Gitmo is not a device for dealing with the citizens of the US.
    No my point is not that the right is the bad guy and the left is not.. my point is that the right is worse than the left but both are in their own ways trying to control things.

    As for GITMO is not a device for dealing with US citizens.. no that is what you have Supermax for.

    Your first comment regarding the race issue is non-sensical and not based in any kind of historical or current events facts.
    LOL you have an open KKK member of Congress now in a leading position in the House. The man held a speech at a white supremacist meeting and is now trying to back track and make excuses. You do not hold speeches at such places unless you have sympathy with their racist views and you certainly dont hold a speech at such a place "by mistake".
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Since Bush's antics are top secret, how does anyone know if he expanded or just consolidated? The only reason we know that Obama continued to use the same methods is because of selective leaks. Listen Obama aint no angel to say the least, but blaming him for everything and giving the GOP and Bush a free pass is just pathetic.



    Sure, but where would you put the prisoners that are being kept? This has always been the problem in closing GITMO... no state in the union wants to accept them.
    Yawn. Still going on about Bush eh?

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Yawn. Still going on about Bush eh?
    So you are denying that he and his administration put in place the whole operation that you and other conservatives are bashing Obama on? Really?
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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you are denying that he and his administration put in place the whole operation that you and other conservatives are bashing Obama on? Really?
    Im saying it would be history if Obama hadn't reinstated the law.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im saying it would be history if Obama hadn't reinstated the law.
    And you would be bitching about him not reinstating the law and how insecure the US has become and all that political bull****.

    Also it was Bush who made most of the sunset provisions permanent in 2006. The remaining sunset provisions have to be renewed once in a while and Obama did that yes. But most the Patriot Act is law, and does not need renewal thanks to.... Bush. This means Obama even if he wanted to scrap it, could not.
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