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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    The difference between the right and the left is how they push their morals on everyone else. The end result between the two isn't all that different really.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You kind of make my point regarding PC-apparently its not an issue because you say its not.
    It's not an important issue because it has little to no real world implications.

    And I never implied nor stated that there was a major political party called "The Left". Its a bunch of commies, socialists, etc, and they all fall under the umbrella of the democrat party-along with others.
    Your claims don't line up with your sources.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    It's not an important issue because it has little to no real world implications.



    Your claims don't line up with your sources.
    Why do your replies always sound like Animal Farm?

    Seeking ways to control what language people use does not come up every day? I speak every day, how many people (outside of your marxist circles in Kansas) have you heard say they love PC?

    Its a very orwellian comment to make-that measure of authoritarianism imposed by the left has no real world implications.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Why do your replies always sound like Animal Farm?

    Seeking ways to control what language people use does not come up every day? I speak every day, how many people (outside of your marxist circles in Kansas) have you heard say they love PC?

    Its a very orwellian comment to make-that measure of authoritarianism imposed by the left has no real world implications.
    <implying PC is government enforced or that anyone in the political mainstream even wants that
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Well, let's see. The left doesn't want the government to intrude on women's lives when it comes to abortion, the left wants the police to stop making unnecessary arrests, much of the left opposed the NSA surveillance program and the list continues. So no, the left is not getting more authoritarian.
    The left also wants to strictly regulate what the average citizen is allowed to own, how much money they're allowed to make (and subsequently keep), what they are allowed to spend that money on, what they're allowed to say in public, what they're allowed to think, how they're allowed to educate their children (or whether they really even have a 'right' to their children in the first place), and what they are allowed to eat and drink on a voluntary basis.

    You know... All for the greater "collective" good of keeping their harebrained vision of "nanny state utopia" workable, of course.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 01-05-15 at 03:13 AM.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    <implying PC is government enforced or that anyone in the political mainstream even wants that
    I never said nor implied it was govt enforced. And my question was not solely pertaining to govt.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I never said nor implied it was govt enforced. And my question was not solely pertaining to govt.
    So if it's not government enforced, how is it even authoritarianism?

    Most people don't care about PC. The only people that care about PC are those opposed to some imaginary issue they've made up in their heads.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    So if it's not government enforced, how is it even authoritarianism?

    Most people don't care about PC. The only people that care about PC are those opposed to some imaginary issue they've made up in their heads.
    Authoritarians need not be in power to display the trait.

    I didn't realize you were qualified to speak for what most people care about. When did you become the arbiter of peoples concerns?

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Here's the major difference, as far as I see it.

    American "Conservatives" are moral authoritarians. That much is true. However, politically speaking, they still tend to be Classical Liberals, by and large.

    As such, they can be categorized as philosophical individualists, more often than not, and aren't particularly interested in regulating individual actions. Don't "make waves," don't be a burden, don't present yourself as a threat, and avoid more blatant public displays of obscenity or vulgarity, and you're pretty much golden with most Conservatives.

    Putting a few of their more prudish issues aside (drugs, for example), they really couldn't care less what you eat, what you think, or what you do with your free time. They just want you to keep it out of their face, and not to ask them to pay for it.

    American "Liberals," by way of contrast, are also moral authoritarians. They simply happen to get worked up over different issues (usually those pertaining to perceived 'injustice').

    In addition to that, however, they are also rather heavy-handed Statists. Some of them are even blatant Marxists and Democratic Socialists.

    For that reason, they often tend to look at things from a more "collectivist" philosophical standpoint. This, unfortunately, also lends itself to a rather irksome desire to "micromanage" the affairs of others in the interests of what they perceive to be the "greater good."

    Even more unfortunately, that same "do-gooder for the common good" mentality can lead them to want to micromanage culture as well. This sometimes manifests itself in an rather vindictive - and even occasionally rabid - desire to enforce "conformity" of not only action, but even private belief, where certain issues pertaining to their social or moral agendas are concerned.

    Frankly, I think the modern American Left can be categorized as being "more authoritarian," on average, than the modern American Right for that reason alone. The collectivist impulses inherent to their ideological position simply lead them to seek a much, much more complete level of direct control over society as a whole than most on the Right would ever dream of.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 01-05-15 at 04:13 AM.

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    Re: Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Authoritarians need not be in power to display the trait.
    Going to restate this because you apparently didn't get it the first time:

    <implying PC is government enforced or that anyone in the political mainstream even wants that
    Dude, no one wants to ban you from saying "Merry Christmas" or whatever else you're concerned about.

    I didn't realize you were qualified to speak for what most people care about. When did you become the arbiter of peoples concerns?
    You literally asked me how many people I've heard say they love PC.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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