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Is the United States a terrorist nation?

Is the United States a terrorist nation?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 15.9%
  • No

    Votes: 36 81.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.3%

  • Total voters
    44

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Consider Shock and Awe that started the invasion of Iraq and the various drones we have launched.
 
Consider Shock and Awe that started the invasion of Iraq and the various drones we have launched.

Do you think we are?
 
I consider mass killings and bombings to be polite diplomatic actions.
 
Very much so.
 
I would definitely be interested to hear why the same tactics are acceptable for some and not for others. If we want the moral high ground, we need to find nonviolent solutions to our problems, not try to show why our violence is acceptable and others' isn't.
 
I would definitely be interested to hear why the same tactics are acceptable for some and not for others. If we want the moral high ground, we need to find nonviolent solutions to our problems, not try to show why our violence is acceptable and others' isn't.



A lovely ideal, but the world isn't very cooperative for it. Ask ISIS how they feel about implementing non-violent solutions. Get back to us with their answer... assuming they don't lop off your head just for being there...
 
I would definitely be interested to hear why the same tactics are acceptable for some and not for others. If we want the moral high ground, we need to find nonviolent solutions to our problems, not try to show why our violence is acceptable and others' isn't.

Because we have the greater, more important, and infinitely more moral objective. We are allowed to be hypocritical in pursuit of victory. It isn't about fairness--it's about winning. A democratic new world order will be built, in part, upon violence. Why we fight is just as important as how we fight.
 
I would definitely be interested to hear why the same tactics are acceptable for some and not for others. If we want the moral high ground, we need to find nonviolent solutions to our problems, not try to show why our violence is acceptable and others' isn't.
:roll: As if violence alone compromises the moral high ground. Iraqi's dying as a result of an invasion in which we subsequently ousted a dictator and handed the country over to its people does not make us moral equals with the dictator merely because both happened to employ violent measures along the way. That's child-like logic that cannot be taken seriously.
 
To answer the actual question: God no. We are, at times, assholes though, take that as you will.
Consider Shock and Awe that started the invasion of Iraq and the various drones we have launched.

Neither of which are terrorist actions, just a crappy and misguided war.

Because we have the greater, more important, and infinitely more moral objective. We are allowed to be hypocritical in pursuit of victory. It isn't about fairness--it's about winning. A democratic new world order will be built, in part, upon violence. Why we fight is just as important as how we fight.

You just had to throw that in there. :lamo

All the easily impressionable, fringe clowns are gonna internally lose it when they read that.
 
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I don't think we are terrorists, but I would imagine the terrorists think we are. It's kind of the way that thing works.
 
I don't think we are terrorists, but I would imagine the terrorists think we are. It's kind of the way that thing works.

I'm pretty sure most of them see us as western, imperialist heathens rather than terrorists, as their great enemy standing between them and their glorious oppressive, sharia fueled wet dream. Not the same thing, but you're right that they see us as the enemy, doesn't change that they're scum.
 
I would definitely be interested to hear why the same tactics are acceptable for some and not for others. If we want the moral high ground, we need to find nonviolent solutions to our problems, not try to show why our violence is acceptable and others' isn't.

Those being beheaded by ISIS are all ears. ;)
 
I think we all need to take a good look at Libya now and Libya before we adjusted it. You
know, when Qaddaffi was running it. Before we Terrorized the Nation. Good money in
War, even Terror Wars. The USA War-Making machine is immensely profitable, just
needs constant, permanent War and that is what they/we do. We market, promote,
initiate, create, and instigate chaos, mayhem, destruction and death as a National
Policy a/k/a, Terror War. We are the Terrorists.
 
Because we have the greater, more important, and infinitely more moral objective. We are allowed to be hypocritical in pursuit of victory. It isn't about fairness--it's about winning. A democratic new world order will be built, in part, upon violence. Why we fight is just as important as how we fight.

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.
 
Because we have the greater, more important, and infinitely more moral objective. We are allowed to be hypocritical in pursuit of victory. It isn't about fairness--it's about winning. A democratic new world order will be built, in part, upon violence. Why we fight is just as important as how we fight.

Pretty sure the people we kill don't see it that way. To them, their violence against us is just as moral as you think ours is against them. There is no one who will allow violence against themselves because someone else says it's justified.

And why should we be willing to accept hypocrisy from ourselves? Don't you strive to be better than that?
 
I would definitely be interested to hear why the same tactics are acceptable for some and not for others. If we want the moral high ground, we need to find nonviolent solutions to our problems, not try to show why our violence is acceptable and others' isn't.

What tactics? Have American troops targeted and killed 3,000 civilians?

Have American troops blown up any pizza parlors?

Have American agents hijacked any ships, or aircraft, taken hostages and executed any of those hostages?

What about beheading women and children?
 
Pretty sure the people we kill don't see it that way. To them, their violence against us is just as moral as you think ours is against them. There is no one who will allow violence against themselves because someone else says it's justified.

And why should we be willing to accept hypocrisy from ourselves? Don't you strive to be better than that?

We allow our own hypocrisy because it is necessary to accomplish our objectives i.e. to defend the existing democratic order that we have put in place and to further advance it. Part of what differentiates us, aside from our cause, is that we routinely seek and strive for the more humane and limiting approach wherever possible. My hope is that by the end of this century large portions of the planet will have solidified their new democratic roots and be cemented into the international order bringing even more widespread peace which will fantastically lessen our need to deploy violence. When the last autocrat is toppled and the last liberal constitution is upheld our need to use violence will decrease immeasurably. Until that time we should do whatever is required to accomplish that objective.
 
Pretty sure the people we kill don't see it that way. To them, their violence against us is just as moral as you think ours is against them. There is no one who will allow violence against themselves because someone else says it's justified.

And why should we be willing to accept hypocrisy from ourselves? Don't you strive to be better than that?
I hear the Nazi's didn't like us very much either....
 
What tactics? Have American troops targeted and killed 3,000 civilians?

Have American troops blown up any pizza parlors?

Have American agents hijacked any ships, or aircraft, taken hostages and executed any of those hostages?

What about beheading women and children?

Actually, America has killed many, many more than that, at one time:

In August 1945, during the final stage of the Second World War, the United States dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The two bombings, which killed at least 129,000 people,

America probably didn't destroy many pizza parlors, but maybe wiped out a few sushi bars.
 
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