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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Baghdad wasn't in a war zone before Shock and Awe.
    It was a war zone when we and Saddam made it one.
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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    FDR was dead for months when the bombs were dropped.
    The Japanese did not surrender after the first bombing..........They did after the second one....That bombing saved millions of American lives.
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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It was a war zone when we and Saddam made it one.
    I think that's what I said Jack.


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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The Japanese did not surrender after the first bombing..........They did after the second one....That bombing saved millions of American lives.
    No it didnt

    "Even before the Hiroshima attack, American air force General Curtis LeMay boasted that American bombers were "driving them [Japanese] back to the stone age." Henry H. ("Hap") Arnold, commanding General of the Army air forces, declared in his 1949 memoirs: "It always appeared to us, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse." This was confirmed by former Japanese prime minister Fumimaro Konoye, who said: "Fundamentally, the thing that brought about the determination to make peace was the prolonged bombing by the B-29s.

    Months before the end of the war, Japan's leaders recognized that defeat was inevitable. In April 1945 a new government headed by Kantaro Suzuki took office with the mission of ending the war. When Germany capitulated in early May, the Japanese understood that the British and Americans would now direct the full fury of their awesome military power exclusively against them.

    In mid-April [1945] the [US] Joint Intelligence Committee reported that Japanese leaders were looking for a way to modify the surrender terms to end the war. The State Department was convinced the Emperor was actively seeking a way to stop the fighting.

    This memo showed that the Japanese were offering surrender terms virtually identical to the ones ultimately accepted by the Americans at the formal surrender ceremony on September 2 -- that is, complete surrender of everything but the person of the Emperor. Specifically, the terms of these peace overtures included:

    Complete surrender of all Japanese forces and arms, at home, on island possessions, and in occupied countries.
    Occupation of Japan and its possessions by Allied troops under American direction.
    Japanese relinquishment of all territory seized during the war, as well as Manchuria, Korea and Taiwan.
    Regulation of Japanese industry to halt production of any weapons and other tools of war.
    Release of all prisoners of war and internees.
    Surrender of designated war criminals."

    Was Hiroshima Necessary?


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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I think that's what I said Jack.
    Initiation of military operations is not terrorism.
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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Initiation of military operations is not terrorism.
    Bull, there is no legal definition for terrorism.

    Terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No it didnt

    "Even before the Hiroshima attack, American air force General Curtis LeMay boasted that American bombers were "driving them [Japanese] back to the stone age." Henry H. ("Hap") Arnold, commanding General of the Army air forces, declared in his 1949 memoirs: "It always appeared to us, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse." This was confirmed by former Japanese prime minister Fumimaro Konoye, who said: "Fundamentally, the thing that brought about the determination to make peace was the prolonged bombing by the B-29s.

    Months before the end of the war, Japan's leaders recognized that defeat was inevitable. In April 1945 a new government headed by Kantaro Suzuki took office with the mission of ending the war. When Germany capitulated in early May, the Japanese understood that the British and Americans would now direct the full fury of their awesome military power exclusively against them.

    In mid-April [1945] the [US] Joint Intelligence Committee reported that Japanese leaders were looking for a way to modify the surrender terms to end the war. The State Department was convinced the Emperor was actively seeking a way to stop the fighting.

    This memo showed that the Japanese were offering surrender terms virtually identical to the ones ultimately accepted by the Americans at the formal surrender ceremony on September 2 -- that is, complete surrender of everything but the person of the Emperor. Specifically, the terms of these peace overtures included:

    Complete surrender of all Japanese forces and arms, at home, on island possessions, and in occupied countries.
    Occupation of Japan and its possessions by Allied troops under American direction.
    Japanese relinquishment of all territory seized during the war, as well as Manchuria, Korea and Taiwan.
    Regulation of Japanese industry to halt production of any weapons and other tools of war.
    Release of all prisoners of war and internees.
    Surrender of designated war criminals."

    Was Hiroshima Necessary?
    Despite all the talk, the only Japanese who could have enforced a surrender decision were determined to fight on until the bombs were dropped. Recent scholarship makes this clear. The book "Hell to Pay" makes an irrefutable case that the Japanese not only would resist an invasion, but could very well have defeated a U.S. invasion. The bombs were necessary to win.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Bull, there is no legal definition for terrorism.

    Terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Who cares about legal definitions?
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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Who cares about legal definitions?
    How can you say it's not terrorism if there is no basis for that conclusion?


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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Despite all the talk, the only Japanese who could have enforced a surrender decision were determined to fight on until the bombs were dropped. Recent scholarship makes this clear. The book "Hell to Pay" makes an irrefutable case that the Japanese not only would resist an invasion, but could very well have defeated a U.S. invasion. The bombs were necessary to win.
    Well saying that the Japanese were looking a way out of the war, we knew they were about to surrender, and the Japanese themselves even admitted that they were ready to surrender even before the bombs dropped, it seems it wasnt...


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