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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Consider Shock and Awe that started the invasion of Iraq and the various drones we have launched.
    I would not say we are a terrorist nation, just a nation with a hypocritical and confusing foreign policy that tends to upset plenty of people around the globe. On top of that we tend to act with a certain superiority in telling others what they should and should not be doing, and going so far as to introduce ideologies into cultures that have no room for those ideologies.

    The method of our warfare I would argue is diminished in comparison to say Vietnam going back. A good example for that argument is to end WWII with Japan, and to avoid a costly land invasion, we opted to drop atomic bombs on civilians. Enemies yes, but civilian cities with unknown total impact. Something we would not entertain as an option today unless we were talking in nuclear war terms.

    We may still kill innocents much to much, we may still engage in plenty of action that is questionable by UN resolutions or international agreements, and we may do plenty to our own citizens in questionable Constitutional terms... but I would still not go so far as to call the US a terrorist nation.
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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Absolutely. Some of our tactics are terrorism, and even we are a "state sponsor of terrorism" ..


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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    I saw that John Oliver episode where local Pakistani citizens were saying they were afraid of blue skies because that's when drones would be out and about and start blowing **** up. So is the United States a terrorist nation? I don't know, but if that segment was anything to go by we're certainly terrorizing the bejeezus out of normal people over there.

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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Actually, America has killed many, many more than that, at one time:



    America probably didn't destroy many pizza parlors, but maybe wiped out a few sushi bars.
    The Japanese civilians killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were collateral damage. Both targets were chosen because of their military value.
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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Consider Shock and Awe that started the invasion of Iraq and the various drones we have launched.
    Don't be silly.

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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Absolutely. Some of our tactics are terrorism, and even we are a "state sponsor of terrorism" ..
    I know you like to agitate against US policy and achtion. Personally, I think you would profit from spending the energy on trying to understand, what is going on instead of relying on preconceptions. As it is, your advice is rather little useful as a basis for understanding the present or from which to build viable strategy into the future.

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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Consider Shock and Awe that started the invasion of Iraq and the various drones we have launched.
    Of course the US isn't a terrorist nation, what a strange question/statement.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Japanese civilians killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were collateral damage. Both targets were chosen because of their military value.
    That is not entirely accurate. The US had been conventional bombing Japan for more than a year before we upped the game to atomic warfare. The Target Committee at Los Alamos recommended Kokura, Hiroshima, Yokohama, Niigata and Kyoto as possible targets. These were among the larger cities in Japan and none on the list has been heavily bombed so far in conventional bombing runs. The committee, which included many scientists, wanted as clean of targets as possible so the effect could be better assessed. They were looking for three miles in diameter conditions where surrounding natural states could be used, the hope was the blast damage would be most effective based upon a variety of target attributes. That means the civilians wold not be "collateral damage," but an accurate part of the assessment on how well the devices worked in the right selected conditions.

    Hiroshima was eventually selected because it was "This is an important army depot and port of embarkation in the middle of an urban industrial area." Civilians were an important part of the equation just as the "adjacent hills which are likely to produce a focusing effect which would considerably increase the blast damage."

    Nagasaki was also selected because it was "One of the largest sea ports in southern Japan with a large industrial center." Again, both military and civilian concentration with emphasis on surrounding conditions.

    Saying the targets were purely military was a bit of a lie, psychological factors in target selection was part of the math. We wanted to induce a certain level of fear never seen before in human warfare. Dropping a device that would devastate a city in a matter of seconds, with the enemy having no idea how many cities we were willing to destroy or how many lives we were willing to end. Both military and civilian.
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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I would not say we are a terrorist nation, just a nation with a hypocritical and confusing foreign policy that tends to upset plenty of people around the globe. On top of that we tend to act with a certain superiority in telling others what they should and should not be doing, and going so far as to introduce ideologies into cultures that have no room for those ideologies.

    The method of our warfare I would argue is diminished in comparison to say Vietnam going back. A good example for that argument is to end WWII with Japan, and to avoid a costly land invasion, we opted to drop atomic bombs on civilians. Enemies yes, but civilian cities with unknown total impact. Something we would not entertain as an option today unless we were talking in nuclear war terms.

    We may still kill innocents much to much, we may still engage in plenty of action that is questionable by UN resolutions or international agreements, and we may do plenty to our own citizens in questionable Constitutional terms... but I would still not go so far as to call the US a terrorist nation.
    I will disagree in the strongest possible terms (to satirize our leadership). We will discuss Libya. Highest GDP in Africa. Free housing. Free education through University. Free food. Free water in a desert environment. Now the USA decided that it's leader Qaddaffi is a no-good terrorist because he is teaching the Rest of Africa and donating Libyan money to do so, how to not be ensnared by USA Military and Corporate hegemony and get the best value from their resources (Africa, resource rich and lightly developed). Ergo, the USA cured the problem. We bombed the **** out of Libya. Killed Qaddaffi, quoth Hilary, "we came, we saw, he's dead." Now, we have created widespread chaos, mayhem, destruction and death in the African Nation previously having the highest GDP on the Continent. We've done this with intelligence from satellites, CIA, NSA, embassies, corporations, spies, politicians and military contractors, ergo our actions are intelligently conceived and orchestrated for precise and maximum effectiveness or we are a chaotic group of morons. Chaos, mayhem, destruction and death are TERRORISM and we planned it, and executed it with Ph.ds and the absolute best of technology and intelligence, ergo the results are as desired, not some accident. That makes us a TERRORIST STATE. The war of terror is very profitable, because now some Islamist types have oil well money and can afford to buy nice weapons from the greatest arms dealer in the World, the USA MIC, don't ya' know. Do the same thing in Syria, Iraq, and keep trying to do it in Russia, Iran, Venezuela, etc. and accuse those same groups of doing what we are doing for a good cover story, and the MSM will dutifully perform their stenographic functions reporting the Gov't supplied propaganda as perception management for the lackeys. We are without doubt a TERRORIST NATION because "War is good business, and business is good," and it is the business of the USA.

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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Consider Shock and Awe that started the invasion of Iraq and the various drones we have launched.
    Its not terrorism if you drop bombs from planes.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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