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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I would definitely be interested to hear why the same tactics are acceptable for some and not for others. If we want the moral high ground, we need to find nonviolent solutions to our problems, not try to show why our violence is acceptable and others' isn't.
    What tactics? Have American troops targeted and killed 3,000 civilians?

    Have American troops blown up any pizza parlors?

    Have American agents hijacked any ships, or aircraft, taken hostages and executed any of those hostages?

    What about beheading women and children?
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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Pretty sure the people we kill don't see it that way. To them, their violence against us is just as moral as you think ours is against them. There is no one who will allow violence against themselves because someone else says it's justified.

    And why should we be willing to accept hypocrisy from ourselves? Don't you strive to be better than that?
    We allow our own hypocrisy because it is necessary to accomplish our objectives i.e. to defend the existing democratic order that we have put in place and to further advance it. Part of what differentiates us, aside from our cause, is that we routinely seek and strive for the more humane and limiting approach wherever possible. My hope is that by the end of this century large portions of the planet will have solidified their new democratic roots and be cemented into the international order bringing even more widespread peace which will fantastically lessen our need to deploy violence. When the last autocrat is toppled and the last liberal constitution is upheld our need to use violence will decrease immeasurably. Until that time we should do whatever is required to accomplish that objective.

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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Pretty sure the people we kill don't see it that way. To them, their violence against us is just as moral as you think ours is against them. There is no one who will allow violence against themselves because someone else says it's justified.

    And why should we be willing to accept hypocrisy from ourselves? Don't you strive to be better than that?
    I hear the Nazi's didn't like us very much either....

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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What tactics? Have American troops targeted and killed 3,000 civilians?

    Have American troops blown up any pizza parlors?

    Have American agents hijacked any ships, or aircraft, taken hostages and executed any of those hostages?

    What about beheading women and children?
    Actually, America has killed many, many more than that, at one time:

    In August 1945, during the final stage of the Second World War, the United States dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The two bombings, which killed at least 129,000 people,
    America probably didn't destroy many pizza parlors, but maybe wiped out a few sushi bars.

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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    We allow our own hypocrisy because it is necessary to accomplish our objectives i.e. to defend the existing democratic order that we have put in place and to further advance it. Part of what differentiates us, aside from our cause, is that we routinely seek and strive for the more humane and limiting approach wherever possible. My hope is that by the end of this century large portions of the planet will have solidified their new democratic roots and be cemented into the international order bringing even more widespread peace which will fantastically lessen our need to deploy violence. When the last autocrat is toppled and the last liberal constitution is upheld our need to use violence will decrease immeasurably. Until that time we should do whatever is required to accomplish that objective.
    So, in order to do away with violence, we must be violent conquerors? I'm hardly going to disagree that liberal, secular, democratic governance is better than dictators, theocracies, or autocrats, but when we employ the same tactics they do, how are we any better? Our cause means nothing if we have to sacrifice what actually makes our way of life better in order to pursue it.
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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What tactics? Have American troops targeted and killed 3,000 civilians?

    Have American troops blown up any pizza parlors?

    Have American agents hijacked any ships, or aircraft, taken hostages and executed any of those hostages?

    What about beheading women and children?
    To think I'd agree with one of your posts.....

    Also, lol @ the guy whipping his Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombing card out.
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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    I would say a big difference is that, in general, we abide by the agreed upon rules of war. We have strayed with the whole torturing thing, and there might be some ambiguity in the whole "War on Terror" and if it's a real war... but in general, our actions are sanctioned as ethical by the agreements we have entered.
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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So, in order to do away with violence, we must be violent conquerors? I'm hardly going to disagree that liberal, secular, democratic governance is better than dictators, theocracies, or autocrats, but when we employ the same tactics they do, how are we any better? Our cause means nothing if we have to sacrifice what actually makes our way of life better in order to pursue it.

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    Re: Is the United States a terrorist nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So, in order to do away with violence, we must be violent conquerors? I'm hardly going to disagree that liberal, secular, democratic governance is better than dictators, theocracies, or autocrats, but when we employ the same tactics they do, how are we any better? Our cause means nothing if we have to sacrifice what actually makes our way of life better in order to pursue it.
    Actually, on thinking about it, Sherman's rhetoric is exactly what you liberals should put forward. Put the brutish hypocritical belligerence which follows from your ideology out in the open for people to see it in all it's evil glory.

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