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How many liberals to you actually know?

What % of people you know personally would self-ID as liberal?

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Gringo allstar said:
Maybe you should go back to post 53 and show me this quote which you contribute to me.. Actually what I really said was " not so much anymore" and for me to say my sister in-law doesn't hold any liberal positions, is kinda funny... anyways I'm done, enjoy your day, its been fun.
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You can pretend you weren't espousing the old ignorant view that liberalism is an affliction of the young that wears off with age, but it was clearly what you said.

Gringo allstar said:
This is sooo true^^
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Gringo allstar said:
What's funny is in my early 20s I also considered myself a liberal Democrat. But once you are willing to think these things through to their end results, and be honest with yourself?? For me anyways I ended up on the right.
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I always was on the right, I'm proud of having no heart. :)
 
whysoserious said:
You can pretend you weren't espousing the old ignorant view that liberalism is an affliction of the young that wears off with age, but it was clearly what you said.
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liberalism doesn't really wear off with age... radicalism does, however...and so does idealism.

a young liberal might still be liberal in their later years, but they'll be far ,far more tolerant, and less idealistic ... same for old conservatives.
 
Cephus said:
My, and delusions of grandeur as well!
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Says the guy who thinks anyone with wisdom agrees with him. I'd be happy to debate you any day on social programs, global warming, ecology, women's pay, energy, etc.
 
Thrilla said:
liberalism doesn't really wear off with age... radicalism does, however...and so does idealism.

a young liberal might still be liberal in their later years, but they'll be far ,far more tolerant, and less idealistic ... same for old conservatives.
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Agreed 100%. Life has a tendency to scrub the polish off of even the nicest of things.
 
whysoserious said:
Says the guy who thinks anyone with wisdom agrees with him. I'd be happy to debate you any day on social programs, global warming, ecology, women's pay, energy, etc.
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Oh good, you'll end up with another addition to your sig, that you were wrong again? :roll:
 
Thrilla said:
liberalism doesn't really wear off with age... radicalism does, however...and so does idealism.

a young liberal might still be liberal in their later years, but they'll be far ,far more tolerant, and less idealistic ... same for old conservatives.
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Do older conservatives become more tolerant?

(I don't know that many elderly conservatives, TBH, but I can't think of any particular examples.)
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Do older conservatives become more tolerant?

(I don't know that many elderly conservatives, TBH, but I can't think of any particular examples.)
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most people , regardless of political stripe, become more tolerant with age.

as they grow up , most people discover that they have to live and work among other people with different beliefs... they generally also discover that they don't have all the answers, and never did.

it's primarily young people who can't get a grip on other people believing other stuff... and of course, young folks believe they have the all answers (and are usually frustrated because us old bastards won't listen to them :lol:)
 
Cephus said:
Some people don't like the idea that when they grow up, they'll realize that all the things they believe are nonsense?
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Fortunately that quote is not factually correct.

The sad notion behind it is that caring about ideals and being compassionate towards people outside of your immediate circle of family and friends is a luxury for young people without responsibilities and that once you have reponsibilities you no longer care about ideals or the welfare of "others." It is true for many shallow people, but not everyone.

There are also those who give up on their ideals and compassion because they decide that no solution can work after they experience that making the world better while trying to overcome so many people's resistance due to fear of change and/or greed and dealing with bureaucracy and incompetence is very difficult. Conservatism is largely the lazy way out of trying to acheive a better world.
 
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DifferentDrummr said:
Do older conservatives become more tolerant?

(I don't know that many elderly conservatives, TBH, but I can't think of any particular examples.)
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i have become more tolerant on social issues......or at least on most of them

I have become less tolerant when dealing with stupidity.....and the brazen entitlement mentality of some

I expect people to put in the effort.....i expect them to try and do the right things

i am disappointed way too often nowadays
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Do older conservatives become more tolerant?

(I don't know that many elderly conservatives, TBH, but I can't think of any particular examples.)
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In my experience people learn to be more tolerant as they get older until they reach the age when their cognitive abilities start to decline, at that point every change or unexpected event seems more confusing and difficult than they can handle.
 
I'm the most liberal of everyone I know who's politics I know or can reasonably guess. My entire family, wife's entire family, and most people I know are pretty solidly Republican/Conservative.
 
Gringo allstar said:
And my Father in law is a great guy! And there are times he tries to bait me into talking politics but I refuse to bite. I look at it this way, no good can come from it, we disagree so why create friction when we get along just fine. I would rather have drama free family gatherings then to discuss politics.
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Ha! That's how I feel about debating abortion. lol
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Completely beside the point: as the earlier poll shows, the theory doesn't look good when DP members are sampled.
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DP polls are indicative of nothing but DP, which is not representative of much of anything.
 
Hard Truth said:
Fortunately that quote is not factually correct.

The sad notion behind it is that caring about ideals and being compassionate towards people outside of your immediate circle of family and friends is a luxury for young people without responsibilities and that once you have reponsibilities you no longer care about ideals or the welfare of "others." It is true for many shallow people, but not everyone.

There are also those who give up on their ideals and compassion because they decide that no solution can work after they experience that making the world better while trying to overcome so many people's resistance due to fear of change and/or greed and dealing with bureaucracy and incompetence is very difficult. Conservatism is largely the lazy way out of trying to acheive a better world.
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There's a lot of people who just never grow up. Getting older and becoming more mature are two entirely different things. There are plenty of people who give up on their liberalism because they fail to see any way to bring it to fruition. Their idealism has no realism. They may still report being liberal but they realize that there is no actual path to their liberal utopia. There is no "better world". There is no perfection that we will ever achieve, no matter how hard we try. There is only reality and the sooner people deal with that and give up on their fantasies, the better we'll all be.
 
Cephus said:
It's a thread you haven't posted anything in. Okay...
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I could be wrong, but I believe it's a thread where you challenge people to formal debates. If you're so sure my politics are infantile, then I don't see why you'd have to worry.
 
I have no idea. I honestly don't talk about politics IRL.
 
I'd say 70 % is liberal in Belgium, if we're talking about progressive views on topics such as gay rights, abortion,...

Sadly, the majority of the Flemish people in my neighbourhood are all Flemish-nationalists worshiping the semi-radical party called 'new flemish alliance', so although they've got pretty progressive views here, they do not vote liberal.
 
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